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Actually talking distances, I have been playing a lot of Star Wars Galaxies lately, and I have found that judging distances in an "alien" enviroment there can be really hard. Like on Tatooine riding over the desert, the mountains look really close because there is nothing to give you an actual scale of the height and a ridge is blocking the distance between you and the mountain. I know this is just a game, but I have experienced the same in real life, seeing things that seem just a km away, but are really closer to 10 km distance, or in one case about 200km away (this one is a mountain that under the right conditions looks like it is virtually at the end of the main street in our neighbouriong township, but is really in the middle of the North Island.)

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I can sympathize. In the Army, the first time I went for my Expert Infantry badge, I failed on the depth test. There's a section set up to call for artillery fire, and you have to judge random distances by eye, some of which can be hundreds of meters. It's much harder than it sounds, and it's amazing how many people fail this portion of the course. 75 meters looks an awful lot like 125 meters with no obvious visual markers, and it gets exponentially worse with increasing distance

BTW: I eventually got it

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A Good Thiing, Too ...

Under Real-Life War-Time Conditions, If you Call In an Artillery Strike and it Over-, or Especially, UNDER-Shoots ...

What Tends to Happen Next, Makes 9/11 Look Liike The Proverbial Cake-Walk!

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LOL Well, it would to me, at any rate I don't have a problem with the difficulty of the test, though. I'm just glad I eventually passed

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"Those are the people that wonder how a thermos knows whether to keep something hot or keep something cold." ~ NeoWatcher

2500 feet vertical?


BTW the JAL aircraft has a pod !!!!!

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more...

what is a pod?

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The landing gear bulge in the bottom. Many of the (/11 cts claim that a "pod" was seen on the underside of one of the WTC planes and that is proof(tm) that it carried a missile.

As for the planes, I sent my guess in via PM. It was more than that, but quite a bit less than the source states. From the picture the best that could be hoped for is a ratio like the JAL plane is 25% higher, or 75% higher, or similar as we have no way to judge the altitude. The answer as stated would have made the lower plane about 30,000+ feet up and that just seems like way too good of resolution for a handheld shot.

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He must be googling like mad trying to find out... he hasn't been back for a bit

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"I have this theory that the Apollo missions were faked when NASA found out that general relativity was wrong because the Earth was expanding due to the Sun's iron core being influenced by magnetic waves from the electric universe after being perturbed by Planet X and thereby causing global warming. Where should I start a thread about this?" ~ ToSeek

"Those are the people that wonder how a thermos knows whether to keep something hot or keep something cold." ~ NeoWatcher

Do you guys honestly think David C reads any of these posts that are longer than two paragraghs? Hell, I don't read any of his that are longer than that. Don't you notice that he only replies directly to the short posts?

David C is just a troll. One of a seemingly endless parade of guys who are really brave smack talkers when they are on the other side of a computer monitor. As meaningless as the tweeting of birds and the squeaking of mice.

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I am sorry, but I have to correct you on this mistake.
David does also ignore short posts.
He selects those to which he can reply with his links he keeps repeating.

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Pretty much.

Yeah ...

And People Wonder Why My Posts are So, um, BRUSQUE ...

So David C, Anythiing New to Say, Or Is BigDon's Characterization as Apt as it Is Blunt?

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I believe that David C cannot find CT websites and videos that would allow him to answer the latest questions. He may just repeat them once again if he has no choice.

In that case, we'll just be left with a stalemate in this thread.
I opt for it to be closed.

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A310 (DHL) and a 767-400 in the back, both basically the same size fuselage...now, considering the telephoto focal length...I couldn't guess.
This reminds me of the claim of the white airliner flying "near" the burning Tower 1, which was obviously on approach to probably JFK or LGA before the FAA called the shutdown after the WTC2 hit. Supposedly some plane involved "in" the plot...

I will say, and Tog_ can confirm, that the answer is rather surprising. I also want to state for the record that under no circumstance could I ever have figured it out myself

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"Those are the people that wonder how a thermos knows whether to keep something hot or keep something cold." ~ NeoWatcher

JAL operates no 767-400. According to someone at airliners.net its a B777-300ER (242 ft 4 in).
The lower aircraft is an A300B4-200F (175 ft 11").

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Those were the planes I used for my figures but I used wingspan instead of length. I know the shot isn't from directly under, but they both appear to have about the aorentation to the ground to the ratio should be the same. Plus I rounded a lot.

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My whole point is that if we take the height of the Pentagon at the point perpendicular to where the plane is in this picture http://0911.site.voila.fr/index3.htm , both the plane and the point of the wall that's perpendicular to the plane will be the same distance from the camera; the impact point is closer to the camera than the location of the plane as it's coming in at an angle.
If we look at this picture http://0911.site.voila.fr/index1.htm ,we can see where that point on the wall is. We therefore know how long 150 feet is at the location of the plane in this picture as that point on the wall and the aircraft are at about the same distance from the camera.
http://0911.site.voila.fr/index3.htm
The length of the plane is shortened because of the angle. If the angle is 46 degrees as your measurements say, it shortens the length of the plane by about a third. The nose of the plane isn't visible so at most, it's just behind the left side of the box. Just looking at it, I'd say the plane behind the box isn't more than 70 feet long. Judging from the height of the Pentagon at the point perpendicular to the location of the plane, I'd say if the plane were 100 feet long, it's nose would be visible.
Some of you guys have mentioned your credentials before. Why don't some of you do the calculations using the height of the Pentagon instead of the box. I think it's pretty obvious that it's too small to be a 757 judging from the wall and exact measurements are only necessary in cases where it's not obvious. If you think it's a 757, I think it would be easy to prove with calculations. All we need is a scale for this.
http://www.students.ipfw.edu/~lambdl...20Pentagon.jpg
I googled around but I couldn't find any dimensions for the Pentagon.
Measuring the maximum possible length of the plane behind the box in this picture is the key to this whole issue http://0911.site.voila.fr/index3.htm ;it should be pretty easy to do. If it's shorter than a 757, 911 was an inside job.

Also--
Do you see the difference between the smoke in this picture http://0911.site.voila.fr/index3.htm and what you insist is smoke in this other picture?
http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon...dodvideos.html
If you do, please explain why the smoke looks like smoke in the first one but quite unlike smoke in the second one.

That's all the time I have now so I dealt with what I thought were the most important issues. I've had a busy week so I haven't been able to do any posting for a few days.

Hey David, alte Socke, we already missed you.
So, again no answer to any question...

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The first picture takes place a fraction of a second after the the second picture you show. Thus, the smoke trail is longer.

This, of course, ignores physical evidence of the 757, which you conviently ignored as being planted, while at the same time ignoring how implausilbe that would be.
While my collegeus do your work for you, why don't you show us evidence that the evidence was planted? Surely you can do that.

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To the conspiracy crowd, radiation is a big Boogey Man that inspires terror and death in all who encounter it. - JayUtah

Go down about 40% in this link.

http://0911.site.voila.fr/BionicAntboy.htm

What does everybody think?

Parts are plantable so that is not serious evidence. DNA evidence can be lied about so the fact that the official reports says the DNA matched is mere evidence--not irrefutable proof. Witnesses can be planted so if there is photo proof, obviously they are either lying or mistaken. A few bodies can be put on a plane or put in the crash area prior to the crash--This isn't serious evidence either.
This is serious evidence--
http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon...dodvideos.html
http://0911.site.voila.fr/index3.htm
http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Ch...pic=4223&st=30
I call those first two photos above serious evidence instead of proof as there is still the issue of whether they've been doctored. They were realeased like that by the government so they are probably not doctored. If they are not doctored, they are more than serious evidence--they are proof that whatever hit the Pentagon was not a 757 and that 9/11 was an inside job.

I tried to look around here to get a side view of the Pentagon so I could try to calculate the size of the plane but it always said I wasn't authorized to view the page.
http://www.students.ipfw.edu/~lambdl...20Pentagon.jpg

David C, why can you not believe that all these CT websites are lying? If you do not write down what you think happened in your own words, I will shut down this thread this weekend. I don't want to see anymore posting of CT websites, just your words.

I may have already promised to do this, but since school is out, I have more time and perhaps a less of a short term memory loss.

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These are my words. I needed the pictures. Later I noticed that this guy agreed with what I'd said.
http://0911.site.voila.fr/BionicAntboy.htm

A 757 doesn't fit in the space where the craft in this picture is.
http://0911.site.voila.fr/index3.htm
It's obvious if you compare the height of the wall of the Pentagon to the space where the plane is. The craft that hit the Pentagon was not a 757 as it was too small. 9/11 was an inside job. The whole case is closed based on this alone. If anyone disagrees, prove it mathematically.

David, I think the issue might be that you ask us for mathematical proof whereas you find it sufficient to suggest things are obvious. Can you see where there is a discrepancy in that reasoning?

You say "A 757 doesn't fit in the space where the craft in this picture is." and point to a URL that has the same video you have pointed to before. But you offer no proof or justification for that opinion.

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David, why can't you show us what point on the wall you're using for comparison?

I've said before that I was using the part that was perpendicular to where the plane was in this picture.
http://0911.site.voila.fr/index3.htm
You can see where it is in the first picture in this link.
http://0911.site.voila.fr/index1.htm
You can also see it here.
http://www.students.ipfw.edu/~lambdl...20Pentagon.jpg
I can't see why you're having problems finding it.

Look at the height of the Pentagon at the point where it's perpendicular to where the craft was. Double the height which is about the length of a 757. Now put that distance between the tail and the front of the box in this picture.
http://0911.site.voila.fr/index3.htm
It's about twice as long. It doesn't fit. If you allow for the angle of the 757 it still doesn't fit.

David, I would like to prove it mathematically, but you refused to answer my questions for days. I asked you multiple times to answer them. You did not. That way we were unable to find a basis on which I could start to calculate.

So either come up with some answers or do not ask for such things.

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I'm too busy to answer every question asked of me. There are about twenty of you and only one of me.
Isn't everything you need to know obvious from the pictures? It was obvious to me.

There is a lot more obvious to me and others. Still you refuse such obvious things after we used them to counter your arguments.

So would you like to answer my questions. You just need to answers them with yes or no. Not more.

And stay away with that stupid "I have no time" argument.
If you have no time don't start such a discussion.

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