Your right, my error.

Anyways u say that's criticism. I just wasn't aware that this was a debunking forum. I thought we would discuss possibilities, instead of peoples' credibility, not to mention peoples grammer.

Oh quit playing the persecution card and write sentences with real words. "u" is not a word

Pete

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There's so much I don't know about astrophysics. I wish I had read that book by that wheelchair guy.

Ceci n'est pas une pipe.

Can't find anything better than that huh? Again, if u have nothing to say about the topic, don't post garbage pls. Read the forum rules again, and abide by them pls.

I should have known this would be the reaction to something people don't understand. Instead of discussing the real topic people feel the need to attack rather than trying to understand. I was told there were intelligent people here that knew about physics, science, and just general knowledge...Instead, all this thread recieved was doubt, immaturity, and lack of an open-mind. - How typical, there were some here who were cool and didn't feel the need to resort to attacks and I respect u for that, as far as the other immature kids, I feel sry for u, I truthfully do.

Peter has been here a while, knows the forum rules, and doesn't need to be lectured by you on them. You, however, despite having been warned by a mod, would do well to follow them.

This is where you're having problems. The people here are quite educated, and know how to look at an issue using the scientific method. The problem here, actually, is that you don't understand the issues and science involved. Instead of accepting that, you repeatedly resort to personal attacks, or attacks on the forum membership in general. Again, the problem lies with you.


People have been discussing the real topic. It has been found to be absurdly false, the science bunk, and the perpetrators as having no credibility. This makes you angry, because it is in fact you who do not understand.

You were told right.

Ironically, it's coming from you, and yet you are the one complaining....

Ahem. Again, the childish behavior on display in this thread is coming from you. You have presented an absurd premise and have reacted with anger and petulance when it has been shown to be patently not possible. As for children, I'm sry, but it's U. You may want to choose a different forum, where such nonsense is greeted by less skeptical minds.

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"Those are the people that wonder how a thermos knows whether to keep something hot or keep something cold." ~ NeoWatcher

You better look at the one of the main pages (Bad Astronomy). One of the reasons for that site was to debunk the moon hoax. As to forum being a debunking site, the majority of members here look at evidence and accept or reject based on that evidence. If you define debunking as looking at the idea, and rejecting or accepting the idea based on evidence, (and as far as I can see, the idea you presented been rejected here based on previous evidence), then yeah, this is a debunking site.

If the idea is worthless, then there is no possibilities and, as a result, nothing to discuss.

Well, if the people presenting the idea have no credibility, then that figures into whether to accept or reject the evidence. Especially when that person hangs on to the "evidence", even after it's been shown to be wrong.

Well, since the majority of those here are, at least, articulate, the lack of using proper grammar has been evidence, in the past, of a lack of critical thinking. It is also quite annoying and, as Gillianren has pointed out, makes your posts much harder to read. And no one here has commented on your grammer, they have commented on your grammar. But then, you knew this, as you aced your english [sic] classes.

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Neptune- The original Dark Matter.

The author feels that this technique of deliberately lying will actually make it easier for you to learn the ideas. - Donald Knuth

Is your mind open to the possibilty that you don't have sufficient scientific knowledge to make a realistic judgement on this matter? Please answer

C4N7, an "open mind" does not mean that we dismiss reality. An open mind does not mean that 2 + 2 = 5. Yes, an open mind is vitally important when discussing any matter of science, and as one great skeptic said "It is important to keep an open mind, but not so open that your brains fall out". i.e. We do not ignore the science that we know!

Just a quick word on spelling. Of course it is entirely your choice, but you will find that you will retain a greater reading audience if you don't treat your posts as if they were text messages. Is it the end of the world? No. But it is the way of things around here - we do prefer posts not to be full of shorthand. As I say, it's your choice, and it's not like you are going to get banned for it. You will find, however, that very few members here will be bothered reading your posts.

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Since u failed to actually read what I posted, I'll say it again. I didn't ask for background checks on Mr. Boyd, or even Hutchison. I didn't ask for any credibility checks whats so ever. I asked opinions on what he said and was suggesting - Theres a difference.


Ty. That was a intelligent post with no smartass remarks -cool, I can accept that. My harsh reaction comes when someone makes a smartass remark to me, not even pertaining to the thread, just to start static. Sry just hate scum like that, who cowardly say things that they would never say to your face. Anyways I'm done with this forum, as most of the people here are arrogant smartasses who think they've got everything figured out. With that kind of knowledge, what else do u have to learn? If u took a second to actually listen to this brilliant scientist who happens to be a senior scientist at Lockheed(Crockpot according to people here) u would learn something suprising.

I'm a nice guy, and all u have brought out in me is bitterness and anger. I have no problem with critism, but a smartass attitude - I'm gonna react to in a negative way as u wanted. Most didn't even give it a chance. U guys can gang up on me like wussies all u want, if that makes u feel like a man, but just know thats an illusion.

C4N7 has been banned permanently so he will not be tempted to rejoin us "arrogant smartasses."

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Everything I need to know I learned through Googling.

Whew. Flameout.

Unfortunate that things worked out that way.

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"It is quite clear that Occam's razor does not sharpen in your pyramid." (Nicolas)

"Still, a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest." (Paul Simon)

Why is it that they always think that whatever they bring is something we have never heard of before? That was something this guy could never figure out - that it was the same old stuff we've already seen so we don't have to give it a chance. We already did.

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Why is it that they always think that whatever they bring is something we have never heard of before?

Same reason they all try the "They laughed at Galileo" line too.

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*sigh* The logic of this statement escapes me. You asked opinions on what he said. I responded that what he said wasn't credible and I gave my reasoning. Now that you got yourself banned, I guess we'll never know why only certain answers to your question were acceptable. Ah, well.

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Hutchison is something like a bad incarnation of Uri Geller. He is a con artist and nothing more. It is funny to see how even people with scientific background fall for these cheap tricks. His first videos posted on his web were just totally laughable. A child toy that was clearly suspended on a wire (you could see him janking the wire near edge of the frame), a blinking toy on a wire lowered upside down through a hole in board... just really primitive con. People were laughing at those and so he removed them (but you can still find it) and he improved a bit his magic tricks. Soon he started filming upside down in his closet where things like a broom "magically" fly "up" and other Sesame street tricks.

It is soo funny to see people really discussing this as a sort of break-through science. You can see how easily people get conned by a simple trick. The simpler the better. Put a big Tesla Coil and some RF equipment as a background, suspend a toy on invisible thread, show a magically bent spoon, or strangely cut metal and you have antigravity. Filming things upside down? Janking a toy on wire? Yes, it looks like that, but he wouldn't do that - it's too primitive! It has to be some special property of electromagnetic field.

Most people do not realize that the base for a con artist or magician is a very primitive technique - so primitive that most of the people would simply dismiss them because "that wouldn't fool anybody". But it is the same as pen through a dollar bill, or using thumbtip for pulling out napkin. Hey, if you put a magician thumbtip on your thumb you would never-ever believe that it could fool anybody - it is soo visible! But it does, everytime. And so does Hutchison "effect".
I have nothing against the guy personally, I always thought about him as a sort of new type internet spoon bender. But it is quite disturbing that people do seriously still fall for this crap again and again despite living in the era of "google anything" and youtube. I know, people do want to be fooled, but Hutchison is really a low key artist, get somebody who at least do his act properly.

Maybe you had seen the guys that are building "floaters", the light structures where they plug high voltage and the structure fly up. That is in fact a genuine experiment because it can be verified and repeated over and over. It may not be antigravity, but it is cool experiment. Difference between "floaters" and hutchinson is like day and night. (unfortunately many "floaters" do get fooled by Hutchison & co. and mix their experiment with his bogus claims together under a "new type of force" - which makes many of them look like tin-foil heads and prone to straw man theories. My advice - get away from the con artist or they will spoil your fun!)

On the topic of genuine antigravity - the answer is simple. In our almost infinite universe anything, even strange things do have some probablity of existence, but if it looks like janking a toy on a wire, then it is also very probably just that.

Sorry, but Hutchison is a fraud, or let him be called "entertainer".

9 out of 10 for entertainment value.

I hope C4N7 picks up his toys he just threw out the pram whilst stomping home in a temper. Bad boys you lot!

This is actually an experiment which is easy to do for yourself, if you can find a shop selling them.
You can easily go through a complete day without anyone noticing your thumb is covered by what you would consider an obviously faked tip.

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Hmm...shouldn't your name be Youclock..?

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Well, illusion is one thing.

Explain this.

Intelligibly, if you would, and not just "pat answer."

Do you claim that is not an illusion that attempts (perhaps succeeds with some) to make you think he had an ordinary woman pulled in half?

Snopes

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How intelligibly can a trick be explained when we can only see it from the carefully edited view that the magician wants us to see on tv?

There's a reason magicians like david blane and chris angel perform in front of small groups on tv like that, because his audience is part of the trick. The woman he tore in half was most likely a double amputee, judging by the way she ran around on her arms afterwards, it wasn't the first time she's done it.

I've seen folks in Blane's show who were "random folks in a crowd" that I've seen before in other places. Including Linsey Dawn Mckenzie. Can't mistake her for anybody else.

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Science fiction was never meant to be an educational tool. - Editor Amazing Tales

It is easy to explain. Chris Angel is the real deal. He is a spiritual being from different space-time and also sold his soul to Soul.... errr I mean what do you suggest by "explain this"?
This wasn't a trick, but more a Halloween type of prank on people who watch it. It is also a bit more expensive for normal magician like me and you, as you need a 1pc of legless person willing to scream and make an idiot of him/her-self.
Tell Chris Angel he is no illusionist and he will slap your face with a wet towel. Coz he is.

I first wanted to finish with the sentence above, as that is the best explanation for money, but to spare this board from screaming "pat answer, pat answer, get him!" I'll give you your answer:
Learned Pigs & Fireproof Women or Raja Raboid who performed this trick in 1937
Thats it. The rest is on your googlability.
BTW. Chris Angel also sells bunch of his tricks, so for 30 bucks + shipping you can also sell your soul and become a youtube star.

To tie things up with the topic title, for $30 + shipping you can make your own antigravity levitating device courtesy of Chris Angel. Fully examinable pants, but check your angles. Ineterested?

It was either Mugs link here or the links in Halo Movie thread in Small media at large put a trogan on my machine. Just to warn...

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Maybe your right but I always keep one eye closed, for safety reasons.

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Over at livescience is a bit on sonic levitation.

Good if you are a small fish--with no fillings to shake out.

Aren't there documented cases of non conducting "things " floating in a strong magnetic field ?
I think I saw a video of a frog that was placed in it (Mag field) and it just floated there...
Now the Coil was huge, but I always wondered if the frog's weight was totally negated ?, or just transferred to Magnetic coil assembly ???
Has anyone heard of this, or know the answer...?
When frog was floating, did magnetic assembly weigh the frog's weight more ?

Yep. Basically, that's the force being transferred to the magnetic assembly. It's not actually eliminating gravity, just counteracting it.

An needing a giant mechanism to do it. The cosest thing I could come up with that might look like anti-gravity is this:

Over at Mark Wade's astronautix website is a listing for an enormous Lenticular HLLV under the "ROOST" section. Now if this craft used an all cryogenic propellant load with some superconducting tank skins--and floated over a long, supercooled magnetic launch strip---so it could hover and then build up speed--it might "look" like a flying saucer taking off after a hover.

The smell of your skepticism must mean it's fake. Yeah.

"and there is Boyd Bushman not saying much of anything specific. Then near the end the commentator says that Bushman spoke highly of a scientist's experiments. That "scientist" is not named, but it is in fact John Hutchison, who is not a scientist,"

1. Which hutchison already said mr. genius reporter

2. So what if he's not a scientist?

3. So, only scientists know anything and understand anything? Durrrrr.

4. Are you a scientist? If not, that must mean I can't trust a word of your report.

5. So only scientists tell the truth? Booooo.

"and who made some of the silliest and obviously faked videos you could imagine."

Cuz u said so, and whatever you say is true cuz u said it. Cuz ur skeptical, and whatever a biased mentally ill person doubts must not be true. Cuz u doubt, and whatever you doubt must not be true. Dude, stop wasting my time and the time of others.

"I posted earlier on Hutchison here:

American Antigravity

and here:

American Antigravity

That pretty well dumps credibility into the dumper."

If what you said here is how you think, whatever you put there is SILLY time-wasting ranting too you confused hypocrite.

"Anyway, when it comes to anti-gravity, my position, as always, is that I will believe it when there is independent confirmation from multiple credible sources."

So they have no credientials CUZ U SAID SO? Cuz a lazy pompous ill rambler said so?

So you can't trust your eyes when you watch a video, how can you trust your eyes when you see anything else? Durrrrr.

And who cares about your position? So your position is right cuz u said so?

Where are you credentials?

There are many names for people like you, besides hypocrite.