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Old 04-November-2006, 12:27 PM
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Actually, they spray it at whatever needs killin'!
I have household ants that could use that.
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Old 04-November-2006, 12:31 PM
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Cool Re: Depleted uranium

Well, at least now we know for sure there are WMDs in Iraq:

Weapons of M*** Depletion.

Meanwhile those worried about DU should not listen to AM or FM. After all, such sounds are generated by a device that is radio-active.

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Old 04-November-2006, 12:34 PM
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I have household ants that could use that.
How big are those ants?

Oh, that's right, I just remembered how big that Space Cow was in FMITM. If a caterpillar gets that big, imagine the ants. Yup, you'd need the gatling gun on an A-10.
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Actually I was just thinking of implacements, bunkers and troop concentrations, but giant ants would be a fair target as well. Not to mention those Gawdawful sunspiders (solpugids) they have over there.
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It's always a good idea to question the validity of any statistics. For example, it's possible that the statistics are wrong. It's also possible they're right but it's due to detection bias. By that, I mean if medical services are open to more people than before, then more people might be diagnosed with cancer than before while the actual rate of occurrence is the same. In that case, it doesn't mean more people are getting sick than before, it just means that more people are getting proper diagnosis. Before, they may have just died on unknown causes.
I agree, most doctors recommend a checkup after you may have been exposed to hazardous materials. It really is best after exposure to DU and before exposure to WPH. Because it's hard to make an appointment when you're on fire.

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How big are those ants?
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Bigger after the Uranium Treatment...
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Hah. Well, you "scientists" just keep laughing, then. Meanwhile try telling Godzilla and the poor people in Tokyo that uranium doesn't have catastrophic consequences.
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Here's another good one.

http://video.google.es/videoplay?doc...28229102317499

It doesn't start talking about DU until the 48 minute mark.
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David, how about you address some of the points people have made in this thread instead of posting another link?
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It's becoming clear that David C prefers to post links, rather than taking the effort to summerize the information and provide his own views.

Let us know when you wish to talk, okay David C?

EDIT:

Just watched it. Saw little resemblence to real life, as discussed by the others that have real experience have told here.

Are you even reading what they're saying David C? Or are you just making claim after claim, posting link after link?
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I think you're just whistling in the dark Grand Lunar. I don't believe David C reads many of these replies.
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It's becoming clear that David C prefers to post links, rather than taking the effort to summerize the information and provide his own views.

Let us know when you wish to talk, okay David C?

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Just watched it. Saw little resemblence to real life, as discussed by the others that have real experience have told here.

Are you even reading what they're saying David C? Or are you just making claim after claim, posting link after link?
Yep, I watched a bit of it. The name of the thing is "Iraq Nuked." Nice, unbiased title. And it looked pretty biased too. But I skipped ahead to 48 minutes where they started talking about reports of gulf war sickness. Then they mention the use of "uranium waste" for weapons, with the note that it contains traces of plutonium. Of course, that's true, all uranium contains traces of plutonium. It just isn't very much. From here:

Because plutonium occurs in nature in only minute amounts, it must be considered for all practical purposes a man-made element. (Some pitchblende ores, once a main source of uranium and radium, contain one part per trillion natural plutonium.)


Which means that you will occasionally run into a plutonium atom naturally, since you will run into a bit of uranium naturally.

They also say that the "debris will remain radioactive for about 4.5 billion years." Of course, that's wrong. That is just the half life. Take 2 pounds of U238 and in (roughly) 4.5 billion years you will have 1 pound of U238 and debris products. What they don't tell you is that DU has only 60% of the already low radioactivity of natural uranium and that a long half life is a good thing because, after all, it means low activity.

Then a guy comes on and talks about uranium in the body. And, as already stated, if you ingest substantial amounts of uranium, but also lead and other heavy metals, it isn't a good thing. What you would have to do is show (with good evidence) where large numbers of people would have ingested or breathed in much larger amounts of uranium than people do from other known sources (such as coal power plants). I didn't see this.

I gave up after a bit after listening to material intended to scare, but not actually informative.
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Anyway, David C, please let me know when you can respond to the points made here, with evidence:

Depleted uranium

If you have another video, please point out first where it addresses these points.
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I'm just a layman so all I can do is look at everything and try to make sense of it all. This guy Dr. Doug Rokke has some good credentials and if the statistics he gives are correct, there is something to what he says.

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In view of what's been happening in Baghdad over the last few years, and the fact that various estimates for the number of violent deaths differ by a factor of ten, how reliable are her statistics? Surely it is easier to count corpses than to count cancer cases?
I suppose that's true but are you sure they are not reliable? You seem to have a pretty cavalier attitude about this. If the statistics are true, this is a pretty serious situation. Even if they have swithced to tungsten, there's a lot of DU already out there.

I post links mainly for the viewers.
http://images.google.es/images?q=dep...n&start=0&sa=N

I found a lot of good links by reading other people's posts so I post what I find.

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(Alan G Archer) Moret's expertise is certainly not in the health sciences. Her recent article, "DIABETES AND DEPLETED URANIUM: IF ITS AN EPIDEMIC, ITS NOT GENETIC," demonstrates the falseness of her authority:

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The global pandemic of diabetes which is increasing each year, began with the atomic bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki in 1945. The resulting global atmospheric pollution has resulted in a diabetes pandemic caused by hundreds of thousands of pounds of vaporized depleted uranium used in atomic and hydrogen bombs as "tamping", fission products from nuclear power plants, and the illegal use of depleted uranium radioactive poison gas weapons introduced to the battlefield by the US in 1991.

Iraq, Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, and now Lebanon are now uninhabitable. Israel soon will be.
What part of what she says do you think is wrong?

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I'm not sure if this is true now, but when I was in the Army the tank armor was in part made by a layer rolled, deplete uraniam. I don't recall Cavalry being any sicker on average than anyone else.
According to the documentaries, it's dangerous when it's inhaled. Also, it said that the symptoms don't appear for a while.

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(Van Rijn)If there was a large increase in cancer due to a trivial increase in local uranium in Baghdad, why don't we see it worldwide?
According to Leuren Moret it has increased worldwide. She said that there was an increase in cancer in states downwind from the Nevada nuclear test sites.

GLOBAL NUCLEAR COVER UP part #1
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...98989248030643

GLOBAL NUCLEAR COVER UP part #2
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...32617120640846

According to those documentaries, Baghdad didn't get a "Trivial" amount of uranium.

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And what would be the mechanism, since the tiny emitted radiation for the small amount of DU isn't even a drop in a bucket compared to other preexisting sources?
According to the documentaries, that isn't the case.

As I've said before, I'm not in a position to verify anything. I just think that if what the people in those documentaries say reflects reality, we've got a pretty serious situation here and I haven't seen any reason to blow them off.
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Here are some more videos.

http://video.google.es/videosearch?q...um&page=1&so=0
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David C, you're still not getting it. Do some research, state a position, or hell, even a real question, cite your sources, if one of them is a video, then so be it. But have some kind of position, or question, and stop seagull posting. You're simply posting hours of videos from woo-woos and asking the forum to debunk them en masse. That is really poor form.

If you can narrow the hours of video down to a real question, or a position, elaborate, and then give relevant cites to your question or position. If you post hours and hours of videos, include time markers for specific points you wish to have examined. Try to do some at least minimal research of the facts as you understand them, and present them with your hypothesis. It's perfectly valid to say "I don't know if this is true, but this is how it seems to me. Can you help me?" at the end of stating the above, but you have to quit the seagull posting
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I think you're just whistling in the dark Grand Lunar. I don't believe David C reads many of these replies.
You're probably right.

But still, doesn't hurt to try, yes?

Incidently, I can't whistle.
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And what would be the mechanism, since the tiny emitted radiation for the small amount of DU isn't even a drop in a bucket compared to other preexisting sources?
According to the documentaries, that isn't the case.
I wouldn't call those videoes "documentries", David C.
We're not making this stuff up about DU. It's things that have been learned from science, data that's been accumilated over decades of research. That's what we're giving you.
What those videos are giving is sensationalist, unresearched dogma, like the moon hoax videos, or Loose Change.

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As I've said before, I'm not in a position to verify anything. I just think that if what the people in those documentaries say reflects reality, we've got a pretty serious situation here and I haven't seen any reason to blow them off.
Instead of believing every conspiracy and anti-US "documentry" you see, do research into the subject matters. Go to a library, use Google or some other search engine. You see, you are in a position to verify their claims; by doing research. Then you'll be in a position to make an informed judgement.
Whatever questions you have after that, you can come to us with them, if you so desire.

Please, consider that.
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