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Old 06-November-2006, 09:48 PM
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The global pandemic of diabetes which is increasing each year, began with the atomic bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki in 1945. The resulting global atmospheric pollution has resulted in a diabetes pandemic caused by hundreds of thousands of pounds of vaporized depleted uranium used in atomic and hydrogen bombs as "tamping", fission products from nuclear power plants, and the illegal use of depleted uranium radioactive poison gas weapons introduced to the battlefield by the US in 1991.


Diabities is caused by Uranium? I guess someone must have nuked South Auckland then. Perhaps there is a far more obvious reason that Diabetes and Cancer are on the increase since the 1940's. Diet.

People in the western world have been eating highly processed foods and refined sugars by the gallon over the past 60 years, and this has been increasing. Is it surprising that our bodies are reacting? An interesting fact is that Japanese women have a low occurance of breast cancer, but if they change to a western style diet that occurance increases to "normal" levels. Diabieties has been shown to be strongly linked to weight and diet, in fact Type 2 can be controlled by diet alone.

As to Uranium itself. If it was so dangerous, then people living in high natural Uranium areas of plaent would be suffering the signs that people attribute to DU. They don't. In fact DU is LESS active than Natural Uranium because the U-235 (The more reactive istope) has been removed from it (That's why it is called "Depleted".) It is not nuclear waste (you don't put it in a reactor because it's not active enough) it is a by-product of refining Nuclear Fuel, exactly the same as the Titainium we get from iron sands after removing the Iron from it. It is a by-product because the Nuclear Industry can't use it because it's so inactive. If they want to use it, they have to convert it into Plutonium inside a breeder reactor before it is of any actual use.

It's half-life is 4.5 Billion years! This mean that if I had dropped a 5g DU bullet on the Earth just afterit was made and then waited till now, I'd still have just under half of left. That is how stable it is. It takes a LONG, LONG, LONG, LONG, LONG, LONG time to decay, so it's activity is VERY, VERY, VERY, VERY, VERY low. In fact of all the radioactive elements, U-238 is one of the most stable. If it was any more stable and it wouldn't be classed as radioactive at all.

Compare it to some other naturally occuring Radioactive elements: (generally the lower in this list the harder it is to find because they decay too fast to survive long in the "wild.")

Lanthanum 138: 105 Billion years
Thorium 232: 14 Billion years
Potassium 40: 1.2 Billion years
Uranium 235: 700 million years
Carbon 14: 5,730 years
Radium 226: 1,602 years
Actinium 227: 23.8 years
Astatine 210: 8.1 hours
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I never said I couldn't summarize them. I said that the point they make is so clear that there's no point in summarizing them. Just watch one or two of them and it's obvious.
But I don't want to. As I've said. I don't like watching videos on my computer, and I don't really trust the sources not to fill my computer with spyware. It is your job to present the evidence; it is not our job to slog through video after video to find it.

And how 'bout the rest of the points I raised?
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Lanthanum 138: 105 Billion years
Thorium 232: 14 Billion yearse
Wow. That's a heck of a wait.

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Diabities is caused by Uranium? I guess someone must have nuked South Auckland then.
Florida and Michigen must've been nuked too; my grandmother and dad have diabities.

David C, you said what we're saying makes less sense that those videos.
Yet look at the information that's being presented, as discussed by PhantomWolf.
That is the sort of research you need to do. That is why we ask you not to relay on posting videos, but rather summerize the information in them and then pass that information on to us.
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Florida and Michigen must've been nuked too; my grandmother and dad have diabities.
Likewise Pasadena, CA (my uncle) and Yelm, WA (a friend's mother). It couldn't at all be that the woman eats a gallon of ice cream at one sitting when the mood takes her that causes her diabetes, no, no. Uranium.
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New Orleans is supposed to be the Diabetes and Heart Disease Capital of the US. I guess that this is because "The Evil GovernmentTM" has been sneaking Uranium into their water supply. The flooding with Katrina was deliberately caused to hide this sabotage fro the eyes of the American People. If you want proof, I'm currently writting a book about this, just $49.99* or buy the video for $39.99*



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New Orleans is supposed to be the Diabetes and Heart Disease Capital of the US. I guess that this is because "The Evil GovernmentTM" has been sneaking Uranium into their water supply. The flooding with Katrina was deliberately caused to hide this sabotage fro the eyes of the American People. If you want proof, I'm currently writting a book about this, just $49.99* or buy the video for $39.99*



*Plus postage and packaging of $99.99
Or you can get my video, which includes interviews with non-qualified individuals, quote minings, and references to dozens of woo-woo sites and organizations.
And all for only $29.99.

If not totally satisfied with purchase, return unused portion for a partial refund. Offer void in Utah
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I don't like watching videos on my computer, and I don't really trust the sources not to fill my computer with spyware. It is your job to present the evidence; it is not our job to slog through video after video to find it.
I'm a bit curious about just what it is with CTs and video-as-evidence. I see the same thing on JREF wrt 9/11 - they much prefer posting a jootoobe video link than something in text form.

This annoys me no end as I can easily scan a text about ten times faster than it takes for a video to present the same information (and I don't have to deal with spooky music, suggestive editing, annoying narrators, &c &c)
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Actually, the place where I spend my holidays each year is just a couple of kilometers away from a uranium mine. The lake I use for my swimming and sailing fun is just at the foot of the hill. The water that I drink comes from that resource.
Still I do not suffer from diabetes, nor do my parents who live there each year for the cold seasons. I do not even know someone in the town who suffers from diabetes. I admit, I do not know everybody there, but quite a lot of people.
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The only thing I have time to do is google around. I found this.

http://www.doctorndtv.com/profile/pr...p?alias=amisra

http://italy.indymedia.org/news/2006/07/1110254.php
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Mishra continued his statement "I am a scientist and a medical doctor. I have an interest in diabetes and public health links to depleted uranium. There are big unexplained increases in diabetes in India, China and Jakarta since 1990. I am participating in a meeting about these issues."
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http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.p...articleId=2058

It looks like the medical community sees a statistical connection between DU and diabetes and they don't even know how DU can cause diabetes. If there's a statistical link between the two things, the notion that DU can cause diabetes can't be ruled out. If a doctor is worried about it, I'm worried about it.

The woman who talks in this video has a Ph.D.
http://video.google.es/videoplay?doc...86402266517406

Don't you think there's a slight chance that what she says reflects reality?
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I just came across this. It has some statistics.

http://www.newstarget.com/020978.html
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Over 11,000 of the 580,000 soldiers who served in the first Gulf War are now deceased, according the Bernklau. In addition, Bernklau indicated that by 2000, 325,000 additional Gulf War veterans had gone on permanent medical disability, and more than half of the soldiers who served in the first Gulf War now have permanent medical problems.
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Is this true? If it is, this is evidence that what those videos say reflects reality.

http://www.newstarget.com/019823.html
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The only thing I have time to do is google around. I found this.
Quite obvious, yes. You don't even have the time to read what other have responded to your statements and questions, not to speek of answering them.

Instead, we see another seagull post.

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Is this true?
Who cares, you would not read our answer.

BTW. Do your own research. If you find it to be true, state it and show your sources.
Don't expect us to do your homework.
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DU lawyers are mining gold.
Think they care 'bout those got slayed?
Just 'bout getting their fees paid.
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Serenitude, dude.

David C is improving the quality of his posts like you asked and you're still kicking him. Look how different post 105 is as compared to the seagull postings at the begining of the thread. I feel you're a tiny bit unfair.
Perhaps you're right. The "woo-woos make more sense than you guys do" statement put me off a bit, because of the patient and exhaustive replies made thusfar.

But you are right. He is at least commenting on the videos, and his point is clear by implication, if not stated succinctly.

My apologies, David C. Your posts are improving. Credit where credit is due. Thanks for reigning me in a bit, BigDon
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"King Serenitude"

Kinda has a certain ring to it

Of course, the wife would laugh herself to death...
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It looks like the medical community sees a statistical connection between DU and diabetes and they don't even know how DU can cause diabetes. If there's a statistical link between the two things, the notion that DU can cause diabetes can't be ruled out.
Have you not read the posts by people that have handled DU or live near uranium mines? They're on this board. If you have time to watch those videos, you certainly have time to read such posts.
Those real life examples are pretty much evidence against a DU connection to diabetes.

Also, DU's main effect really comes if you injest it or breathe it in (as we've said many times). So, unless those people have been going around injesting DU or making it into dust and breathing it in, there's not much to go on.

Even if they did, diabetes would be the least of their concerns. I would have figured you would know at least that.

Tell you what; go to Wikipedia.com, and look up radiation and it's effects. Do the same for DU as well. You might get some answers there.

BTW David C, I'm providing this post from someone else for your information. I strongly suggest reading it.

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One perspective that might be factored into this discussion is "Validity of the Linear No-Threshold Theory of Radiation Carcinogenesis at Low Doses"

http://www.world-nuclear.org/sym/1998/cohen.htm

I handled depleted uranium shells over thirty years ago with my bare hands. There were no ill effects. In my house I have a rock wall composed of White Rocky Mountain Crystal. Like granite, the rocks contain small amounts of radioactive material. The radiation emitted is measurable using a Geiger counter. The rocks generate a small amount of radon. My house is a well sealed house. The rock wall has been in place for over 25 years. I have observed no ill effects for myself or my family. But also during this time period I have witnessed several individuals who smoke and come down with cancer and they continue to smoke even after they undergo surgery and radiation therapy. I think there is sufficient evident that low levels of radiation may not be as harmful as some individuals have made it out to be.
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David, you can draw statistical connections between anything If you like to show a link. Even between the number of pirates and global warming.
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