Here's some interesting stuff. Tell me what you think.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...beyond+treason

GLOBAL NUCLEAR COVER UP part #1
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...98989248030643

GLOBAL NUCLEAR COVER UP part #2
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...32617120640846

http://www.planetquo.com/Gulf-War-Sy...evel-Radiation

http://www.boston.com/news/education...n.com+%2F+News

http://www.democracynow.org/article..../09/07/1643226

Here's the official version. What does everybody think?
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m.../ai_3249113762

I'm still on dialup until next week, and can't really play the videos. Can you summarize them?

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"I have this theory that the Apollo missions were faked when NASA found out that general relativity was wrong because the Earth was expanding due to the Sun's iron core being influenced by magnetic waves from the electric universe after being perturbed by Planet X and thereby causing global warming. Where should I start a thread about this?" ~ ToSeek

"Those are the people that wonder how a thermos knows whether to keep something hot or keep something cold." ~ NeoWatcher

That would take up quite a bit of my time. I've seen people on this forum and other forums who say they can't watch videos for one reason or another. I don't have my own computer. I go to cybercafes. In Madrid where I live, they are all over the place. I only pay .50 euros per hour. Aren't there any cybercafes where you live?

I live in an area of America so remote I doubt Europeans who haven't visited America have a common frame of reference to truly understand what it is like.

Short answer - they just offered broadband in my area over the summer, and we are scheduled to have it installed next Thursday, although it sounds like you're implying I'm lazy. The closest cybercafe is a 2 1/2 hour drive from my house. I don't think even you would suggest it's worth it just to watch your videos. Although a politer answer on your part would have sufficed

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"I have this theory that the Apollo missions were faked when NASA found out that general relativity was wrong because the Earth was expanding due to the Sun's iron core being influenced by magnetic waves from the electric universe after being perturbed by Planet X and thereby causing global warming. Where should I start a thread about this?" ~ ToSeek

"Those are the people that wonder how a thermos knows whether to keep something hot or keep something cold." ~ NeoWatcher

Many cities in the US, even larger cities either don't have cybercafes or don't have very many. Even if they were available or if we had broadband at home, do you still expect us to spend hours of our time watching multiple movies you can't even summarize? By the way, depleted uranium has been talked about many times on this forum. You might want to check out the search feature.

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Scroll down a little more than half way in in this link and you'll see articles about depleted uranium that say a lot of the same things the videos say.
http://www.planetquo.com/Gulf-War-Sy...evel-Radiation
Sorry about the tone of my reply. Reading all of the scornful replies to my other posts puts me in that mood.

There are a lot of claims there. Is DU the same as plutonium?

I'd like to see some science, not a hip hop beat propaganda film. Seems all your reference sites have an agenda, and it's not about health studies and science.

I'll read up, but meanwhile you have a discussion going over at the "dangling" thread.

I think this covers the truth quite well.

Personally, I believe there are a lot more dire things we need to be worrying about, like the fact that in the last 10 years, the number of dead reefs has risen from 33% to 45%.

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Perception isn't reality. It's merely an abstraction thereof, and quite often not a very good one at that.

"Staying young requires the unceasing cultivation of the ability to unlearn old falsehoods." - Heinlein

"Freedom begins when you tell Ms. Grundy to go fly a kite." - Heinlein

No, DU is what's left over after the enrichment process has gone on. Natural uranium has two main isotopes (235 and 238). The former is the one that can be used in a bomb. The latter is not. The enrichment process increases the proportion of 235 in a sample of uranium. The "waste" is uranium that's mostly 238 and has been "depleted" of it's 235 content. The half life of 238 is several billion years, so DU isn't very radioactive. It is, however, very dense so the military has made use of it in anti-tank round in the past. They have largely stopped this, however, and changed over to tungsten which is good enough.

U can be poisonous if ingested, but the health impact claims made by sites like those our friend DC has posted are largely unproven. Many desert storm vets were exposed to or worked around DU and had no ill effects. Tungsten can be similarly poisonous if ingested in the same way and you don't see any OIF vets complaining of ill effects. This sort of thing is largely based on the fear of radioactivity (Uranium! Oh my, it must cause horrrible effects.)

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"If it was so, it might be, and if it were so, it would be, but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic!" - Tweedledee

This isn't right. This isn't even wrong. - Wolfgang Pauli

I recall while in the service that most illness was related to fermented soda; it was allowed to get hot, which resulted in the formation of ethyl alchohol. Or it might have been methyl alchohol. Hard to remember, since it's been six years since I heard that story.

I know, it's just an ancedote, not data. But it seems to make more sense than CT sites that spread fear and distrust.

Yeah David C, where are the conspiracy websites about dying reefs?

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And these atomic bombs that science burst upon the world that night were strange even to the men that used them.
- H.G Wells, The World Set Free

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Hearsay alert. The following has not been confirmed.

Sounds like it might have been diet soda. If it gets too hot and/or too old, the aspartame breaks down into its components: two amino acids and a methyl alcohol molecule. When this happens, I doubt that there's enough methanol to do you serious harm, but it sure doesn't taste sweet any more.

Fred

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Instead of constantly hit-and-running, and sea-gull posting, not to mention ignoring questions asked of you, why don't you tell us what you think of it. The general idea is to propose an idea, and provide some evidence. You've done nothing so far but hit'n'run.

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"I have this theory that the Apollo missions were faked when NASA found out that general relativity was wrong because the Earth was expanding due to the Sun's iron core being influenced by magnetic waves from the electric universe after being perturbed by Planet X and thereby causing global warming. Where should I start a thread about this?" ~ ToSeek

"Those are the people that wonder how a thermos knows whether to keep something hot or keep something cold." ~ NeoWatcher

I think the info I posted makes more sense than the official version. Did you watch "Beyond Treason"? There's an army scientist there who has some good credentials (I forgot his name but you'll see who he is). Leuren Moret who give a long talk in the second video I posted has some good credentials too.

I'm also worried about dying reefs. Please watch the second video I posted in which Leuren Moret speaks. She talks about how the contamination we are causing in Iraq is getting into the oceans. I think it's toward the end of part 2.

Duh, in the news... ???

If you're too lazy to look it up yourself (prolific revelations by google), you're not worthy of commenting on it.

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I am Mugs, of the Alien clan of Usa, Nordamerica, a Terran, of Sol.

Perception isn't reality. It's merely an abstraction thereof, and quite often not a very good one at that.

"Staying young requires the unceasing cultivation of the ability to unlearn old falsehoods." - Heinlein

"Freedom begins when you tell Ms. Grundy to go fly a kite." - Heinlein

Two things for the OP.

By the standards of Europe, the US is in the Dark Ages of the Internet. Broadband is still rare across much of the US, and the "Broadband" we have is a fraction of the speed available in many other countries.


Second, and more importantly, this is a science-oriented discussion board. We come here to debate an idea with its proponent. Your seagull posts do not provide a proponent; in the simplest terms they are "Somewhere else there is an argument."

Not interested. If you believe there is a good argument being made elsewhere, UNDERSTAND it yourself, SUMMARIZE it and post it here, and be prepared to ARGUE it.

Posting a link to an argument made by someone else is lazy, and could lead one to think that you were being intellectually lazy yourself; that rather than having a view and an understanding you rely on videos on websites to make up your mind for you.

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Welcome to the forum, David C.

Moret's expertise is certainly not in the health sciences. Her recent article, "DIABETES AND DEPLETED URANIUM: IF ITS AN EPIDEMIC, ITS NOT GENETIC," demonstrates the falseness of her authority:

So the real culprit in the rise of type II diabetes is DU........Iraq is uninhabitable!? Quick, someone alert Jalal Talabani!

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"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

I referred to sites of the type that David C links to, like Prision Planet, Third World Travler, ect. I'm surprised he doesn't link to Weekly World News or The Onion.

You know, stuff that isn't in the regular news, which shows the offical causes of the deaths of reefs.
The conspiracy stuff I had in mind would be about stuff involving secret govt operations or New World Order stuff.

Besides, my post wasn't directed to you.

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I calculated the odds of this succeeding versus the odds I was doing something incredibly stupid...and I went ahead anyway. - Crow T. Robot

Godspeed, John Glenn. - Scott Carpenter

And these atomic bombs that science burst upon the world that night were strange even to the men that used them.
- H.G Wells, The World Set Free

To the conspiracy crowd, radiation is a big Boogey Man that inspires terror and death in all who encounter it. - JayUtah

Er, uninhabitable?

How do you explain all the people that live there? Long as they're there, those places could definately still be called habitable.

I also wish to express my concern over your habit of simply posting links to videos and websites. You must tell us your positions on these subjects and defend your viewpoints.
The technique you're using make have been acceptable on the Loose Change forum, but is frowned upon here.

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I calculated the odds of this succeeding versus the odds I was doing something incredibly stupid...and I went ahead anyway. - Crow T. Robot

Godspeed, John Glenn. - Scott Carpenter

And these atomic bombs that science burst upon the world that night were strange even to the men that used them.
- H.G Wells, The World Set Free

To the conspiracy crowd, radiation is a big Boogey Man that inspires terror and death in all who encounter it. - JayUtah

So I guess it has nothing to do with the fact that 1 in 4 Americans can now be classified as obese