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Old 25-November-2006, 01:49 AM
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Default Crater in Darkness, or not.

Since the original thread got locked, and this isn't really about the original topic anyways

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Well, let me clarify a few points. Its not a different part of the moon, in Sofias picture you can see to the left Mare Marginis and Mare Smythii. Those appear on the NASA photo as well, in the place they should be. The USGS places Al-Khwarzimi - King basin on the eastern limb (the eastern side of the far side, USGS actually divides the moon into four sections, visible side, eastern side, western side, far side, eastern and western side are not visible from earth but they dont qualify for far side by USGS) so it its not exactly at the center of the far side, its more to the left of the center. If you check the moons shadow again with this in mind you will see what I'm talking about. In fact, up until the 25th (UTC 23:14), the craters Pasteur, Hilbert and Alden (which I used as reference points before) are not obscured by the shadow.
Its not a different part of the moon, in Sofias picture you can see to the left Mare Marginis and Mare Smythii. Those appear on the NASA photo as well, in the place they should be.

But they are a very different shape and the crater pattern about them doesn't match. I think the features you are identifying aren't what you think they are. I think that the features are Sklodowska-Currie (which comforms far better to the crater pattern, and the edge of Mare Australe all of which would certainly match the images.

The following shots are why I think that the feature can't be in the photos.

Apollo 16 Launch: 5:54:00pm GMT, 16th Apirl 1972


Apollo 16 Lunar Orbit Arrival: 8:22:28pm GMT, 19th Apirl 1972


Apollo 16 Lunar Orbit Exit: 00:09:15am GMT, 25th Apirl 1972


As you can see, it is in half shadow on Launch and by the time that Apollo 16 arrived, it was in full shadow and was until after they left.
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Didnt notice that you opened a new thread about this, sorry I didnt respond earlier.

I dont get what you are saying. Which features do you think I have mistaken for Sklodowska-Currie? I checked where those craters were and they happen to be very close to the Al-Khwarzimi - King basin (the double ring). Here http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/lu...g/ii_196_m.jpg .

I dont know which feature is the one that you highlighed though. I think that its just above Hertzsprung, or it could be Hertzsprung itself, not sure about that. The Al-Khwarzimi - King is here http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/703...720416bzs5.jpg between Tsiolkovsky (a.) and Mendeleev (b.) . So this crater was not in the shadow when the CM was in orbit, and it was just starting to be shadowed after the last orbit. That agrees with the apollo 16 photograph that was taken after the trans-earth injection.
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Default Re: Crater in Darkness, or not.

Craters in the dark,
Exchanging tektites.
Craters in the dark,
Wondering what it's now like
If it happened (right)
Some Earthward flew tonight?

It was an eclipse
When they took off for points
On a eccentric ellipse
Where they might go feignt'
Crashing into Earth!
Causing not much mirth
Just an orb away
Claiming that the whole night was their entire day!

Craters in the dark
Not even chains they're only
Craters in the dark
Trying to explain how

They were once evolved
Mysteries won't be solved
By an HB guess
Or as alien presence.
Or even...

(insert unexpected and non sequitur modulation)

Ever since that night
We've seen together
Craters at first sight
What we endeavor
Craters in the dark
Naught but a meteor's mark!

Shoo-be-do-bee-do,
(ad lib.)
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