This case remains unexplained to this day, but still just as interesting.

1. On 18 October 1973 at 2305 hours in the vicinity of Mansfield, Ohio,
Army Helicopter 68-15444 assigned to Cleveland USARFFAC encountered a near
midair collision with a unidentified flying object. Four crewmembers
assigned to the Cleveland USARFFAC for flying proficiency were on AFTP
status when this incident occurred. The flight crew assigned was CPT
Lawrence J. Coyne, Pilot in Command,1LT Arrigo Jozzi, Copilot, SSG Robert
Yanacsek, Crew Chief, SSG John Healey,Flight Medio,All the above personnel
are member of the 316th MED DET(HEL AMB). a tenant reserve unit of the
Cleveland USARFFAC.

2. The reported incident happened as follows: Army Helicopter 68-15444 was
returning from Columbus, Ohio to Cleveland, Ohio and at 2305 hours east,
south east of Mansfield Airport in the vicinity of Mansfield, Ohio while
flying at an altitude of 2500 feet and on a heading of 030 degrees, SSG
Yanacsek observed a red light on the east horizon,90 drgrees to the flight
path of the helicopter. Approximately 30 seconds later, SSG Yanacsek
indicated the object was converging on the helicopter at the same altitude
at a airspeed in excess of 600 knots and on a midair collision heading.

Cpt Coyne observed the converging object, took over the controls of the
aircraft and initiated a power descent from 2500 feet to 1700 feet to
avoid impact with the object. A radio call was initiated to Mansfield
Tower who acknowledged the helicopter and was asked by CPT Coyne if there
were any high performance aircraft flying in the vicinity of Mansfield
Airport however there was no response received from the tower. The crew
expected impact from the object instead, the object was observed to
hesistate momontarily over the helicopter and then slowly continued on a
westerly course accelerating at a high rate of speed, clear west of
Mansfield Airport then turn 45 degree heading to the Northwest.
Cpt Coyne indicated the altimeter read a 1000 fpm olimp and read 3500 feet
with the collective in the full down position. The aircraft was returned
to 2500 feet by CPT Coyne and flown back to Cleveland, Ohio. The flight
plan was closed and the FAA Flight Service Station notified of the
incident. The FSS told CPT Coyne to report the incident to the FAA GADO
office a Cleveland Hopkins Airport Mr. Porter, 83d USARCOM was notified of
the incident at 1530 hours on 19 Oct 73.

3. This report has been read and attested to by the crewmembers of the
aircraft with signatures acknowledgeing this report

Here's a link to more info if anyone wants to tackle it.
The Helicopter was a UH-1H, which first entered service in 1967. The 68 in the tail number is the year of manufacture, so at least that part is consistent.

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How did he know? He eyeballed a red light and then was able to determine its altitude, airspeed and course? I can undestand that under the circumstances they may not wanted to double check if they thought it was on a collision course, but just a red light simply does not provide enough information to determine such things. Did they have any radar readings?

I have a site with some good information if you want to check it out.

http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/hyperreal/ufo/cufon4.txt

Not likely in a Huey. With the exception of naval variants the only radar they might have would be to determine height above ground, and I don't think that was available in '73.

The H was un apgraded D model, known in Vietnam as a "Slick". No weapon mounts on the outside, and meant for troop transport or medivac.

I don't think there is any way a reliable estimate of airspeed could be made, but I don't have an issue with the claim that it looked like it was on a collision course. I've ducked when birds buzzed my car on the freeway before.

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I have no idea what it could have been, but I don't have time to worry about it as I need to get some rest so I can stay up late tomorrow night and watch a meteorite shower.

nice

Actually the site you linked to seems to give little more information about the sighting than you have already given; or have I missed it? On the evidence as presented it could easily have been a fireball in the sky a hundred kilometers away. Even experienced pilots make this mistake when they see a bolide for the first time.

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From that page...

It would be IMPOSSIBLE to estimate speed with any accuracy without first knowing the size and distance of the "object".

This is an error made in numerous UFO reports. What surprises me is that more people don't "catch it".

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This link might help

http://www.nicap.dabsol.co.uk/coyne.htm

Reading the case. This object got real close to the crew, close enough to give a real good description. Seemed to be a few witnesess on the ground too.

So the helicopter was traveling at 100 knots, then the object moved in front of it and stopped. Any clarification on just how this was possible?

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Looking at the case, i believe that the crew did see this object, but that does not mean alien. It's a very interesting case

Really???...why not?? The description (as presented) has the "classic" flying saucer shape. Doesn't the "scream" alien spaceship to you??

So why do you deny what is so readily appearent?

Why is it an interesting case if it wasn't an alien spaceship??? People "fooling themselfs" are simply not that interesting.

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Methinks you are trying to eat your cake and have it too. On the one hand you state that these incidents are not necessarily alien (thereby avoiding having to answer probing questions), but then you say it is interesting.

Personally, I don't think these are interesting. I think that there are billions of unexplained events every day. Unexplained sitings, unexplained sounds, unexplained smells. They are "unexplained" because humans make mistakes of assumptions, and don't have the time, inclination, and/or abilities to effectively investigate every (often mundane) aspect of their days.

Every day I run into one or two situations that I interpret differently from others. Their verbal discriptions or explainations of mundane events differ from how I remember them. I trust this happens often; as a particular example, note how unreliable witnesses are in criminal cases. Often, convictions based on eyewitnesses are overturned by physical evidence (e.g., DNA). This doesn't mean that the eyewitnesses were lying --- I think it means that they were wrong.

For some reason, human accounts of unexplained lights in a dark sky attract extra attention. I really just don't get it.

Without physical evidence, these are not interesting at all.

Because an object is unknown does not mean its alien. Look at the objects in the passed ( stealth) before people knew what it was, it would have looked very much like a ufo too.

Its still an interesting case to me
I dont think they are fooling themselves. They just saw something they did not understand.

Not at all, like i said before. How many sightings do you think are really our own militery craft.

Thats your opinion

Well, i have no reason to believe that what they saw was wrong.

Well, i dont look at it that way with some cases, but thats me

So I'm not the only one who has noticed this...

Now that's interesting.

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And i have perfectly answerd this

Does that mean that you will continue to bring up different UFO sightings and then say "that's interesting, but it doesn't mean it is alien"??

For if that is your "plan" you seriously need to re-think just why you are posting to this board...

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Right. The people who i insulted i have said sorry too on here. This is a new thread, if you want to talk about what i said before, then go to that thread. But if you are going to keep on doing this, i will complain too. I just want to talk about this case, what people think, regardless if they believe its a ufo, militery or even a bird. If you dont want to join in, then dont come on this thread. In this thread i have said nothing to insult someone, and i dont intend too.

So please, if you are not going to talk about the case, dont come on it.

I have no idea. Without some sort of non-eyewitness data, it really isn't as interesting as you make these things out to be.

For instance: last night I heard a noise from my basement. It wasn't the cat (cat was in another room), and it was a different sound from the normal creaks of a settling house.

IT IS UNEXPLAINED!!!!!!

Do you find that interesting?

This morning, on my way to work, an odd sulfur smell was apparant where there normally isn't. I couldn't figure it out.

IT IS UNEXPLAINED!!!

Do you find that interesting??

I could go on, but these are all quite boring, I'm sure you agree. Eyewitness accounts of lights in dark skies that they cannot explain are similarly boring.

Nor do I. But I do have reason to say that, in general, eyewitness accounts are wrong. Therefore in any investigation, whether it is of a murder, a car crash, of the Taco Bell around the corner, or lights in the sky, it is always plausible that the eyewitness accounts are in error.

There was talk of the stealth being mistaked for a ufo. From the air i guess it would look like a black triangle.

We are all different, and i do find these interesting Im just as interested that these crafts could be our own militery, esp when some of these crafts seem to be very advanced. Many cases, i feel could be the result of our own militery secret craft.

I suppose opinions are going to be different, but thats not a bad thing. If we all thought the same, this world would be very boring

Mr. David Sereda (whom you seem to be impressed with) does not believe that. He thinks that they are all alien spaceships.

Is Mr. Sereda wrong??

...and while we're on the subject...if Mr. Sereda "explanation" is what convinced you that Mr. Oberg was wrong...and Mr. Sereda's "explanation" was alien spaceships, they why do you continue to "hide" behind your "that doesn't mean they are alien" mantra?

Either you agree with Mr. Sereda, or you don't...as pghnitve pointed out...you can't have your "cake" and eat it too.

The only thing that I am "doing" is trying to understand just what your opinion is regarding these cases.

I think you will find that if you continue with this "style" of posting, that others here will conclude that you're not worth the "trouble" to engage in conversation.

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If he believes thats all ufo's are alien, then he is wrong

If you watch the video, sereda goes through the process of eliminating ice-crystals and debre. And i think he has a good case for that. Are they ufos, i dont know, do i know what they are, no. Do i agree with everything sereda says or believes, no.

Not at all. So because i believe that Sereda has a good case that these are not ice-crystals, does not mean i have to agree with everything he says.

I find it interesting, it catches my eye, i want to know more. But that does not mean i have to agree with some people on here, and they dont have to agree with me

And i have told you

Why is that, because some of my opinions still leaves the case open to me, or that i think it might be a militery craft or whatever. If that is the case, so be it. These are my opinions, and i will not change them just to suit someone else, or because they dont like them. And i dont expect people to do the same. If you dont like my posts dont read them. I dont force you too

moved to CT

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With all of this "back and forth" I've lost track...which video are we talking about...In other words, provide a link to the video you are speaking of.

So you see no problem "cherry picking' what you "want" to believe and what you don't "want" to believe?

Based on what???

Having a problem with the quote button? You repeated my quote twice.

This is a discussion board...if I disagree with what you are posting, it's all the more reason to comment on it.

Although I do realize that there are a number of posters on this board who would prefer that I ignore them, that usually doesn't stop me from commenting.

Hmmm...I wonder what A.DIM has been up to
lately.


aside...if MOJO is going to maintain that this sighting "doesn't mean it's an alien", then I don't quite understand just what the "conspiracy" is in this thread.

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You can watch it at google video, i dont know the link because its blocked for me.

Again, i will say this. Because i believe that sereda has a good case that these are not ice-crystals, that does not mean i know what they are. I want to know what they are, and thats why i am interested.

You said The only thing that I am "doing" is trying to understand just what your opinion is regarding these cases.
And i put
And i said i told you


Good for you

Well, carry on then

Again, i will post what i feel, if you dont agree with it, then thats fine. But i want to here peoples views on this case, so if you want to talk about Sereda and Oberg, do it in that thread.

Not saying it was faked or anything but this is kind of suspicious.

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I think what makes this case imortant is that the crew seem very credible, and i dont see why they would lie. Also there was ground witnesess. I think there is a chance its a militery craft of some sort. Like i said before. How may people would have reported the stealth as a ufo, and thats what it would have been because no one would have ever seen it before.