Just who is this "we" that you speak of...???

...and if I were to say the word Swordfish, what would that mean???

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The GAO (General Accounting Office) report (http://www.fas.org/sgp/othergov/roswell.html) sums it up like this:

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Weren't there a lot of drugs being done in Vietnam?

(Do you like my completely wild, unfounded assumption I just made? I do...I get more and more clever as I get older! HA! )

Pete

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There's so much I don't know about astrophysics. I wish I had read that book by that wheelchair guy.

This is given as a reference to suggest that 'Flight#4' did not carry RAWIN targets? This is a non-sequitur, and proves nothing of the kind. It is a message from a newsman at WKZO Radio in, of all places, Kalamazoo to the War department making the entirely sensible suggestion that the 'saucers are radar targets for weather observation'.

As I have indicated before, no-one mentioned Project Mogul in public until around 1980 in connection with the debris from Roswell. At the time this letter was sent (July 8 1947), it is almost certain no-one had yet made the connection.

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Just say no to dugs!!

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Okay. Well, according to how you claim the Air Force works, you should know everything about what was going on at, say, Edwards AFB at that time. After all, you were in the Air Force. They're an Air Force Base. It's all the Air Force, so you should know all their procedures and everything they were working on, regardless of whether or not it was classified. Go.

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"Now everyone was giving her that kind of look UFOlogists get when they suddenly say, 'Hey, if you shade your eyes you can see it is just a flock of geese after all.'"

"You can't erase icing."

"I can't believe it doesn't work! I found it on the internet, man!"

Since this is a Roswell thread, please forgive me if I post the following data evidence to make a point about UFO reality. It is data information regarding the tracking of an artificial UFO that exceeded performance characteristics of all conventional aircraft by far. In other words, we don't have such exotic technology flying in aircraft from airports as depicted in the following data.

Seconds after Heading Speed Altitude lock-on (degrees) (knots) (feet) 00 200 150 7000 01 200 150 7000 02 200 150 7000 03 200 150 7000 04 sharp 200 acceleration 150 6000 05 turn 270 = 22 g 560 6000 06 270 560 6000 07 270 570 6000 08 270 560 7000 09 270 550 7000 10 210 560 9000 11 210 570 10000 12 210 560 11000 13 210 570 10000 14 270 770 7000 15 270 770 6000 16 270 780 6000 17 270 790 5000 18 290 1010 4000 19 290 1000 3000 20 290 990 2000 21 290 990 1000 22 300 990 0000 22.5 300 980 0000 Break lock

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Vault/9054/belradar.jpg



There is a special message within that data.

Fine, I'll fix it Gillian...oh wait...HA!

Pete

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There's so much I don't know about astrophysics. I wish I had read that book by that wheelchair guy.

Are you so sure that Project Mogul wasn't mentioned before 1980? You might be surprised!

From that I gather that you are accusing Bill Moore of being a bad reporter. W. Moore, the co-author of the book which first brought Roswell back to public attention, The Roswell Incident?

At least there is something upon which I can agree with you.

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In fact, I am glad you mentioned Edwards AFB, because it was listed in a UFO report right after the Roswell incident in July 1947, which at that time it was known as Muroc AFB. One of my compatrots is now flying in the KC-10 from there in support of local operations.

http://www.nuforc.org/Muroc.html

ET's phone number??

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I have to disagree with you that Moore's book is what first brought Roswell back to the attention of the public. The Roswell incident was brought up during the 1960s as well. Goes to show just how deep I have been involved in researching the Roswell incident.

Will this be more of your "post dated" evidences??

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General Brown: http://www.nationalufocenter.com/art...rticle_101.php

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Let me put it this way, the Roswell incident was brought to the attention of the public by someone else during the 1960s, long before Bill Moore's book.

Who? In 1978, UFO researchers re-discovered Roswell when Jessie Marcel first told his story to Stanton Friedman. Never heard of anyone earlier coming up with it.

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Sure sounds like General Brown is talking about enemy helicopters.

For the life of me, I don't know why a "believers" site (or skyeagle) could possible imagine that he was talking about anything else.

Or to put it simply...what General Brown stated is in no way an affirmation of UFO's...heck it's not evidence of anything.

Sheesh...

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The incident was mentioned once or twice, generally without naming the location. No-one noticed; did you?

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Look at the date? You can now say that those other folks are incorrect.

http://roswellproof.homestead.com/Look_1967b.jpg

When you have made up your mind, you interpret the statement accordingly...

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http://roswellproof.homestead.com/Look_1967b.jpg

Goes to show that I know more about what is going on in regards to the Roswell incident than I have been letting on.

Not much of an article. Just a picture of ballon debris and not much else. Hard to read, but don't see any details on Roswell...

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The Viet Cong didn't fly helicopters and that is a hint.

A hint of what? (only if you are conspiracy-minded, can you interpret the hint to mean ufos...)

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The information is in regards to the Roswell incident. I often go to the library and pull out old magazine articles on past events relating to UFOs.

The "enemy helicopters" that General Brown was referring to were not helicopters at all.

Maybe, but who is to interpret what he meant to say?

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Knowledge has a lot to do with it.

OK, but from what I can see, it is just a journalist going through old files for a story and reprinting an old picture with a little bit of text. Nothing even close to the avalanche started by Friedman and co.

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