Im new here, and i posted this message before, but cant find it lol. I want to hear peoples views on roswell. If there is an old thread, can you re-direct me

Hi! Welcome to the board.

The "similar threads" on the bottom of this page give 4 very nice links to other threads.

On the top right, you also find a search function. Typing in "roswell" should give some useful entries of earlier threads.

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The original newspaper report of the crash as released by the US army stated clearly that they had recovered a "Disk." This report was subsequently withdrawn by the army and changed "weather balloon." But the original announcement is on record.

What newspaper? What date? On record where?

If what you claim is true, you should be able to answer these three questions.

Also, what evidence do you have that the report was withdrawn and changed?

Just download the Rosewell documentary its all in there.

link?

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Several papers in the US recieved the announcement and printed it; here is one; the Sacramento Bee
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ly8%2C1947.jpg

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I think this sums it up pretty well. There supposedly was a press release given to the newspaper, but it is not sourced so we don't know who actually wrote it and the military denies it was them. It's a non-starter.

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Well what a surprise! The military denies it was them! Well you learn something new everyday dontcha?

From you? No, we don't learn anything.

At least others took the time to find links. What have you done?

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I drew attention to the original news story - or did you not read my post?

Read it.

I see no links in it, nor any references.

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And these atomic bombs that science burst upon the world that night were strange even to the men that used them.
- H.G Wells, The World Set Free

To the conspiracy crowd, radiation is a big Boogey Man that inspires terror and death in all who encounter it. - JayUtah

Interesting thing is...at that time, the general public didn't equate these things with "alien visitors". So the government had nothing to cover up "for".

It was only years later, when books were written enhancing the "mythic" aspects of Roswell, did the claims of "government coverup" surface...

Anyone who takes the time to actually investigate Roswell will soon find that there is really no "meat" on these "bones".

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Well, what i really find hard to believe is that some people on here did not even know it made front page of the paper. This is common knowledge, everyone who has looked into this case should know this, because its fact.

Yes, and you will also realise that the govenment story has many holes too

Well first the weather balloon, did anyone here question that?
Then project M, did anyone here question that?
no the dummies, and i see no one is really questioning that

So, so far they have coverd this story up, and that we all know, and so far it has been the roswell de-bunkers that have been wrong and the believers( crasshed ET or militery craft) have been right, so why still question now, the people who new it was not a weather balloon, or project M, or the new dummie theory. The problem is, you will keep on believing the governments theory, and when it turns out to be a cover-up you will believe in the new theory. For a very long time roswell de-bunkers would laugh at the people who claimed that it was not a weather balloon, and even though there was enough evidence to say that it was not, they still would not listen.

I really want to find out what happend in roswell, but the governments explanations just is not been convincing to be honest, and i will not believe in everything the government says, because at the end of the day, just like roswell, you will end up looking stupid.

I have my own beliefs about Roswell. None, however, involve aliens.

I believe the place to be a testing ground for new, secret aircraft as well as secret tech that we don't want people finding out it.

That, I believe, fits in Occam's Razor quite nicely.

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Godspeed, John Glenn. - Scott Carpenter

And these atomic bombs that science burst upon the world that night were strange even to the men that used them.
- H.G Wells, The World Set Free

To the conspiracy crowd, radiation is a big Boogey Man that inspires terror and death in all who encounter it. - JayUtah

Yes, i think that is a strong possibility. Because i believe the government is still covering up roswell, does not mean i think its an ET. Of course its possible, but militery craft, i feel could be the answer.

You are correct about that. The big concern back in the late 1940s was unknown stuff flying over here from Russia. I think it was Hollywood that first started the "outer space" ideas in some of their movies from the early 1950s.

You are correct. It's actually a vast desert area West and Northwest of Roswell. That's where our first rocket studies took place and where the first A-bomb was tested. It was better than Nevada because there were some large towns within a day's drive away, such as El Paso and Albuquerque, and some air force bases already in the area. Things have been flying off-course from the White Sands Missile Range for many decades.

Added: Plus we had a bunch of ex-Nazi rocket scientists working in the desert near Roswell in the late '40s, and the feds didn't want that information to get around much either.

That is probably what is going on there, also all of the talk of ufos and aliens keep certain people focused in aliens, other then what they are really up too.

I think most of the military "cover stories" were and are designed to fool the Russians, Cubans, North Koreans, Iranians, etc., etc. I learned a few military secrets while in the news business but I was told to keep them quiet. These weren't "big" secrets, but our military didn't want the Russians knowing all the details that I knew.

Another example... I worked with a news cameraman who was also in the National Guard. He worked on a special project at Camp Shelby Mississippi where the Army built an exact replica of General Noriega's house and living quarters, where the Army practiced the invasion of Panama and the capture of Noriega. So, our lowly news cameraman knew about the big invasion long before the rest of us in the news department knew about it, but he couldn't tell us.

The rumor about the house finally got out after the invasion and after the replica house was completely torn down. Then our cameraman would say a few things about it, such as "It was remarkable," and "you should have seen it", but he would never actually say that it had really existed because the Army, at that time, did not acknowledge that they were capable of making exact replicas of houses of foreign leaders they planned to invade and capture.

Roswell was also where the publicity-shy Goddard tested his rockets in the 30's.

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Yeah, I feel most people who laugh at us for thinking this way simply have not really looked at the case, and are happy with what ever explanation they hear from the government. There are so many holes on the government side when it comes to roswell. I am sure that the official story will change again.

That's not true. Science minded people are usually the first to examine any reports of strange things, such as big foot, flying saucers from other planets, perpetual motion machines, etc. Everybody wants the Nobel Prize for finding something really new in nature. But every time we examine the UFO stories, we never find any evidence that they are things from other worlds. Some UFOs I managed to photograph with a long telephoto lens turned out to be plastic shopping bags sucked up into the air from a Wal-Mart parking lot by the local wind. If I found some solid evidence of a flying saucer from another planet, why would I want to keep it a secret?

Modern UFO and little alien spacemen stories are the modern version of ancient fairy and leprechaun stories and ghost stories. They too were said to be “seen” by only a small number of people and only under certain conditions, and when scientists went out to look for them they never could find any. But many thousands of people believed in them.

I remember reading that once. How ironic.

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Godspeed, John Glenn. - Scott Carpenter

And these atomic bombs that science burst upon the world that night were strange even to the men that used them.
- H.G Wells, The World Set Free

To the conspiracy crowd, radiation is a big Boogey Man that inspires terror and death in all who encounter it. - JayUtah

So the government must be covering up
"something" because they are not telling you the "story" that you want to hear...

Which story do you "prefer"?? There are a number of different accounts as to what happened. In order to discuss this further, you will have to chose which account you believe to be true.

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I just dont disregard the holes in the story. I have a brain and i do my own thinking with it. If i believe that something is not right with roswell, im not going to think oh, hang on, they are never going to lie!. Imagine if i did think like that. Oh it was a weather ballon, the government said so. Years down the line, oh, it was not a wather balloon, it was Project M. Couple of years down the line, they change it again! Now what does that tell you, that tells you that all the people who believed in the lies the government told them will always believe in the lies the government tell them about this case . Hey some dont even have to look into the case, because the government knows best .

In my opinion, as i have stated before, i believe it was militery. What about you. Are you a believer of the weather balloon, then project M, then the dummies?

The story hasn't changed appreciably over time; the debris that was found was at first thought by the local base personnel, including Marcel, Blanchard and Haut to be a crashed flying disk. This does not seem to have been such an unusual event at that time-here were numerous supposed crashes of flying disks in 1947, none of which seems to have been truly extraterrestrial; here is a list, including nine from 1946 and eleven from 1947
http://www.ufologie.net/htm/crashes.htm
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But soon after, they realised that all they had on their hands was a balloon; which they thought at first was a weather balloon. Subsequent investigation seems to indicate that the balloon was a Project Mogul device, which had a secret purpose of spying on the Soviets (although it was not launched in secret).

There were no bodies reported at the time, and no credible witness has ever mentioned bodies; the whole idea of bodies has been attached to the event at a later date.

David Rudiak did try to show that the balloon involved, Flight #4, was unlikely to have arrived at the landing spot; but he failed to do so, mostly because you can't calculate backwards to find out the probability of a stochastic (i.e. random) event. The balloon had to land somewhere; almost all locations in that region are as likely (or as unlikely) as any other. And the debris in the photographs is consistent with wreckage from such a balloon.

When the story re-emerged after thirty-two years, the debris was described as having many strange attributes; this seems to be memory playing tricks in various ways. And there seems to be no documentary evidence of the case in the official records to speak of; no debris, no reports, nothing. I suspect this is because the staff at the base wanted to quietly bury their initial misidentification; they were embarrassed is all. They nearly succeeded too.

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...and these debris are the only evidence of anything having happened.

To speculate about any other causes (including military crashes) is not based on any actual evidence.

A "mis-identified" balloon is the most reasonable explanation for what happened. If you have evidence that another explanation is more reasonable then by all means...present that evidence so that we may evaluate it.

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