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Old 28-January-2007, 08:09 AM
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Default Will PNG solve the HBer question?

We all know how the lossy compression that is JPEG has prompted the growth of many an HBer. PNG is a lossless compression, one that is in fact more effective than JPEG anyway. As things move over to PNG, should we see less of the old anomalies coming up?
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Old 28-January-2007, 08:18 AM
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Probably not because they are already out there and will continue to be milked by people like Hoagland.
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Old 28-January-2007, 09:22 AM
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No, they will convert the JPEG to PNG and claim that still there are artefacts.
I can already see the 30 page thread in which we try to explain that converting the garbage JPEG into PNG does not work and that it has to be converted to PNG from the original uncompressed file...
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Old 28-January-2007, 10:49 AM
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Or they'll claim that the artefacts were removed in the PNG files and the JPEG files are the ones we should be analysing....
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Most spacecraft release their data in uncompressd, calibrated, IMG format. However - due to onboard compression one is still able, sometimes, to see compression artifacts in these calibrated pieces.

Face facts - a true member of the hoaglanderati will never stop trying to find nonsense at the limits of resolution.

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Old 28-January-2007, 02:34 PM
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I wouldn't worry. There are plenty of opportunities for misinterpreting images, even when they're stored in a lossless format
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Old 28-January-2007, 08:13 PM
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Yeah im still laughing about the "tracked vehicles" and "lichen growth" found by some. If anything i think that will be used to claim that their "discoveries are More Accurate" as noone can claim its just an Artifact of compression anymore. They will see whatever they want to see, whether its a pile of rocks, some ice, or a compression artifact.
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Tracked Vehicles and Lichen growth? Try rock sheep....
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[HBMode]Uhh hellllooooo... PNG is the default file type for photoshop, so anything that's in that format has been altered.[/HBMode]

I don't think it will solve anything.
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Old 28-January-2007, 10:21 PM
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When I first saw that guy's rock images I really thought it was a joke. It took awhile before I realized he really did think there were Martian rock sheep, apes in suits. coins, little pyramids, insects, fossilized stingrays, and all manner of other made objects or creatures in those images.
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What is the PNG you all speak of? I never heard of it.
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It's a graphical file format which is used when quality of images is important. Since JPG is a lossy compression format it's great for use in environments where quality is not an issue but storage space or transmission latency is an issue (like the Internet), but pretty lousy if you want to ANALYZE an image with computer tools, so PNG is a standard format for such circumstances...
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I'm sure NASA and the evil govment just came up with PNG to hide THE TRUTH!

Seriously, people "see" all kinds of things (UFOs and such in the clouds, for example) directly with their eyes, with no compression losses at all. I suspect HBers will be finding sheep and starfish among the rocks on Mars.
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I'm sure NASA and the evil govment just came up with PNG to hide THE TRUTH!

Seriously, people "see" all kinds of things (UFOs and such in the clouds, for example) directly with their eyes, with no compression losses at all. I suspect HBers will be finding sheep and starfish among the rocks on Mars.
Heh heh heh, that of course means that the whole Open Source movement is controlled by the Evil Illuminati/Alien Lizards/Templar Knights what-have-you.......
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Heh heh heh, that of course means that the whole Open Source movement is controlled by the Evil Illuminati/Alien Lizards/Templar Knights what-have-you.......
Been listening to Bill Gates, have we?
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Or they'll claim that the artefacts were removed in the PNG files and the JPEG files are the ones we should be analysing....
Or that PNG really stands for "Protecting a Neutral Government" and that it was actually designed to automatically detect and electronically cover up any artifacts, even if converted from the original negatives...
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