Did anybody see the supposed UFO on FOX???

Already some CT ers are claiming a coverup...

Looked like an aircraft at high altitude, or a meteor trail...

IF you want me to, I can invent a conspiracy to match...

Dale in Ala

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KHON: UFO’s seen over South Shore sky

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I was hoping for a more improbable reason.....like refugees from an interstellar war, shot down by our defenses, big time government cover up....etc..

Dale in Ala

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Well, I just threw up a link and a quote so people could investigate further.

I opted to echo that astronomer's analysis because, as we all know, astronomers, even the ones on the goverment payroll, are some of the wackiest folks there are. If his bizarre theory, involving some sort of "flying machine" operated by "people" who are not green, and powered by a kind of burning "fuel" producing "water" as a byproduct, isn't improbable enough for you, I cannot help.

To me it was jabberwocky-like nonsense. I think. Maybe.

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Where are the CT ers claiming a coverup ?

I was trying to stir up something so the "funeral" on this board would be stopped, I miss the whacko theories too.....

Dale

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Looks a lot like a contrail to me, especially if it was seen toward the direction of the setting sun. They can get quite bright and conspicuous at that time.

There was some guy on C2C with a long involved spiel, involving the O'Hare IAP UFO and the one in Oahu, along with some other recent supposed sightings, the gist of which, was that the US Govt was involved in an interplanetary war with some alien race, and the Govt was covering up the 50 years of anti-gravity drives--invented here-- that are being repressed by the usual suspects.....I think his name was Stan Dayo or something like that.

When the satellite dish came back, I turned C2C off and went back to the Science Channel....

PS: Also we are all going to die in various disasters that only he, and a few others can pin point......

Dale in Ala

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I note that they mention another 'light in the sky' from 2004, the streak which was recorded by an automatic camera on Haleakala.

A perfectly good explanation of that earlier phenomenon was given on this board and elsewhere- see this link
APOD 2-8-05

just how many times do these things have to be explained before they stop being UFOs?

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Yes it's a contrail at sunset. They always glow orange. The contrail is higher than the clouds so the clouds are gray because they are no longer being lit by the setting sun.

Naturally, it all depends.

To the rational, once. (To the uninterested, of course, not even that!) There are yet people in the world who do know that people actually mistake Venus for a UFO more often than you'd think. There are people who don't automatically assume lights they can't identify come from alien spacecraft. For those of us who think that way, saying, "It turns out it was a flock of ducks really," for example, is fine, and we'll believe you.

Then there are the True Believers. They want to believe it's an alien spacecraft instead of a funny-shaped cloud (almost in the shape of a camel, even), and therefore, they convince themselves that they do believe it. Actually, they lead to a greater problem.

You know how I mentioned earlier that the uninterested don't require an explanation? Right. There is, however, another category--the curious who never heard about the thing the first time 'round. This means that every time a True Believer finds one of this category, they Have To Share. This means the Curious But Uninformed person doesn't know what it is, and in our culture, UFO=alien spacecraft. They announce the discovery of a "UFO," even if it's been (repeatedly) identified by those who know what they're talking about, likely spreading it to more Curious But Uninformed until one of them hits someone who knows what they're talking about. It stops spreading then, of course, but the explanation usually fails to make it back along the same pathway as the story.

After all, "alien spacecraft" is a more interesting explanation and therefore a better story than "reflections in a window."

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"You can't erase icing."

"I can't believe it doesn't work! I found it on the internet, man!"

Well that all depends. Just how many times are you "scientists" going to "invent" perfectly rational "explinations" that just by chance fit the description of a bona-fide UFO? Hmmmmmm?

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"In order to increase awareness of the homeless, security have been given binoculars."

For crying out loud!

It was a couple of military aircraft with onboard radar patrolling the skies to ensure that no aircraft had entered the warning area in which they were conducting the missile tests shortly thereafter.

It's common military procedure to ensure airspace is absolutely clear before firing missiles!

It's a contrail, folks. Sam5 is right - that's exactly what they look like at sunset, and military fighters with search radar can put out contrails like any other aircraft. Furthermore, contrary to popular opinion, contrails may last between a few seconds and hours, depending on the atmospheric conditions, and a short, rapidly disappearing contrail is perfectly normal for higher altitudes over Hawaii.

It's common military procedure to ensure airspace is absolutely clear before firing missiles!

Yeah, except for when they shot down TWA-800 (runs and hides)

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The true conspiracy here is that the media knows there's a perfectly rational explanation, but they also know that by raising certain questions, they can easily cause the easily befuddled to remain glued to their TVs for half an hour, increasing their ratings, and income from commercials.

Ignorance is like gold, folks - provided you're not the one who's ignorant.

Many years ago, another individual once said, "A sucker is born every minute."

P.T. Barnum


"theres a sucker born every minute"

A few years ago I found an old 400 mm lens in a box in my garage, and I rigged up a Nikon mount for it. I also bought a 2X telextender for it. So I’ve got the equivalent of an 800 mm lens, plus I can enlarge the pints about 6 times or more, so how many mm is that equivalent to?

I live out in mostly a clear-sky area of the Southwest, so for a couple of years I had some fun taking pictures of airliners flying overhead and their contrails. I learned a lot about contrails at that time.

First, there can be days and weeks with no contrails, usually in the winter. In the summer there can be contrails every day for weeks.

At the same time on the same day, contrails can appear at low or high altitudes but not at mid altitudes, or vice versa. I suppose it has something to do with the density of the air layers, the temperature, and the humidity.

On some days contrails at certain altitudes can last for hours and several can gradually blend and become streaks of clouds. On other days contrails will be long but will disappear soon. On other days they will be short and disappear soon. That’s what we are seeing in the video. Short contrails that disappear soon. And we are seeing them at high altitude (maybe above 20,000 ft) where they are still being lit by the sun, while the lower clouds are not being lit by the sun.

We don’t see the airplane out in front of the contrails because some military airplanes are difficult to see. They are painted or coated with some sort of dark gray or almost black coating that tends to make the plane blend into the natural sky. I occasionally see contrails where I live that don’t seem to have any airplane in front of them.

One time I saw a short contrail curving all around not far from my place, but I didn’t see any airplane. So I got out my big lens and I photographed the front of the contrail. Here is that picture:

http://i7.tinypic.com/2zhl1u1.jpg

I took that print and enlarged it on my scanner and I played around with the color and contrast, and I finally could see the outline of an F-117A Nighthawk out in front of the contrail. You can barely see the airplane outline in this image:

http://i5.tinypic.com/29ekh9f.jpg

If the time of day were near sunset, the contrail would be bright orange.

You are exactly right. I worked in the TV news business for years, and I hated that kind of stuff. Plus when we hired kids right out of college, they didn't know anything about anything, but they were cheaper to hire.

P.T. Barnum
"theres a sucker born every minute"

As has been pointed out a few times before, this wasn't said by Barnum.

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Definately a contrail - and a pretty unipressive one at that. We get them over Sydney all the time. With the mountains to the west we get an artifical early sunset set, and you often see these things reflecting of West bound aircraft.

The fact they were in the north west indicates to me - inbound US ex Australian aircraft, usually tootling along from 32000 to 36000 feet - Or possibly inbound US aircraft heading for Australia.

They pick up the Hawaiin chain then island hop through to Sydney

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Urban Legend? Common Myth? Who really said it?

Wikipedia credits at least three alternates: Competitor showman Joseph Bessemer, one David Hannum, and bounty hunter, etc., Michael Cassius McDonald.

Edit to add: Be that as it may, I think the estimate is low.

Fred

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Looks more like a B-2 bomber.

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Combine Bessemer and Hannum you get Barnum. (well, maybe Bannum at least)

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Since I live in Honolulu I can add a bit. I saw it, just like the other residents, it was a short contrail from a most likely Air Force Jet out of Hickam doing manuevers, the contrail was quick to disappear behind the aircraft, allowing for the perception of demensional movement.

Fact of the matter is, a lot of Oahu residents have never been off the island, they have never lived on or been from the Mainland where contrails are an everyday normal occurance over any major city.

To see a contrail here, any contrail is a most unusual experience. The flight lanes do not cross over the island and all craft are in bound and out bound at low altitudes.

In my 10 years of living in Honolulu, I have seen two contrails of length, someone not familiar with a contrail in the distance, observed at sunset as most have seen thousands of times on the mainland, could easily suspend belief and start claiming UFO.

And a B2 of course has a large chance of not being inbound but just flying over.

[Urban legend mode]Some people even claim all the B2 ever does is flying over. It comes from nowhere, it goes to nowhere, it just flies over...[/Urban legend mode]

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a few days back i have seen UFO in my dream

Ask me if I care.

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that PROVES IT! another siting

Ask me if I care.

That was kinda harsh, don't you think?