Last weekend, (or was it the one before) Ian Punnet had guests on Coast to coast Live (precursor to C2C) who were discussing UFO stuff and one of them stated that the 2012 disaster had been averted by the future humans who crashed their ship at roswell in '47. Had something to do with a box they brought with them, and a Brown dwarf companion star that Civilian Astronomers had not yet discovered, but Military Astronomers had been watching for years. Don't ya just hate those Military Astronomers, they have all the best stuff, and the rest are using beer bottles to watch the sky. Where did I put those hip waders....

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im laughing too hard to come up with a coherent response to THAT idea...

A real disaster is going to happen, as I´m turning the age of...oh, lets forget about that...

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The first round's on Argos.

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You bet it.

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Ha! Military astronomers! That's priceless.

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Would that be the folks at the US Naval Observatory, and the like?

Intrigued I just had to do a search for the phrase "military astronomers". Didn't get but a few dozen hits, and many of them were not the actual phrase, and the remaining all seemed to be space-alien (or alien-debunking) sites. This historical one was interesting:

OBSERVERS, PUBLICATIONS, AND SURVEYS: ASTRONOMY IN THE UNITED STATES IN 1849 (PDF)

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I believe their tense structure is wrong, they probably want the future past imperfect tense: "The 2012 disaster will shall have been averted by the crash in 1947". I'm sure a time-traveling version of Gillian shall have been able to help us with this.

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Hey, Douglas Adams points out that time travel screws up verb tenses something awful. (Pointed; he's dead now.)

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Gillian

"Now everyone was giving her that kind of look UFOlogists get when they suddenly say, 'Hey, if you shade your eyes you can see it is just a flock of geese after all.'"

"You can't erase icing."

"I can't believe it doesn't work! I found it on the internet, man!"

That's OK, Gill; the pretorite present is a perfectly acceptible tense construction.

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I was thinking of his comments about it. But I hadn't made the connection with his death. Do you think that by revealing that time travel was possible (why else would someone have to worry about tenses if it wasn't), that THEY ® did him in to cover up THEIR time travel activities? It sounds like a conspiracy!

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What will I see in 2012?

My son by that time is 8 yo and and I will be less worrying about his wittyness and restlessness as what he is now at 3.

I probably moved to another place.

We will be dominated by robots. (thinking of the movie AI)

And here I thought I just worked for the military and not actually in it.

...will have had pointed.

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This was documented in Futurama Episode 3ACV19 "Roswell That Ends Well".

WARNING: FOR THOSE FEW WHO HAVEN'T SEEN THIS EPISODE, CONTAINS SPOILERS!

Military reassembly of Bender.

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To expound on my original point further...Tom Van Flandern was a Military Astronomer. Oops, my bad, I will give everyone time to clean up the rootbeer they just spit on their monitor and keyboard. The clowns on C2C live didn't bother to explain how a couple of LGM's, with a box, and apparently no idea on how to fly their saucer anywhere except into the ground, could possibly counteract the effects of a small star.

That is the great thing about being a "male bovine digestive bio-mass dispenser." You don't have to know what you are talking about in order to talk about it.

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Oh, I agree. One of the reasons for BAUT is to point out bad astronomy.

What will start? Please be specific.

What radiation? How has the moon protected us? Given its distance, motion and size, it certainly couldn't act like a shield against anything. All in all, this sounds like very bad astronomy.

Almost every religion has made astronomy based predictions about events that are to take place around 2012? I wasn't aware of that. Please give us the specifics behind these scientific predictions.

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1> won't find out exactly until it starts, would just be speculating - call it chaos if you like.

2>the moon has protected us from asteroid/meteor/ite collisions for millions of years. gravity can act like a lens to bend light and radiation, sending us an extra dose when in conjunction, and can block out a lot of the suns radiation when a total eclipse occurs, the 2012 will mainly pass over the sea and thus wont make a huge difference to temperature. the 2017 will cross the usa and will drop land temperature by many degrees for several hours.

3>they havnt specifically said 2012 but the time-scale is within reason and the combinations of sun/moon position along with solar activity and earths orbit/angle of rotation fit far too well for it not to be eventful. most major fluctuations of radiation/temperature have spurrned a change in the evolution cycle, some major some not. most religions do talk of days of chaos where only the "good"/followers will survive - its built into our instincts as its happened so many times in the past.

we now have 1000's of satelites in orbit which are affected, and in the chain are cell phones, sky tv, network/computer communications, power grids and thats with a normal dose - a large enough dose could affect the magnetic fields/gravity and current cycles of the oceans. never mind a paranoid politician with a jumpy bomb finger when all his spy satelites are knocked out.

So should I sell all my stock now and buy the boat?

Maybe quit all work altogether and start a Calivinball major league team...

Hey I don't want to spend my last days huddled in fear and workin for da man... know what I mean?

Alright... Well, the Moon does not 'protect us' by a whole lot. Granted- it has taken some impacts - but so has the Earth- it's just a game of