man you guys are really stupid when it comes to this, youve been watching too much deep space 9.

read and understand the <inappropriate language removed> science and dont put words in my mouth.

and, the conspricy is your government is "trading carbon" and taxing you on something that is not 100% correct and there version would be solved if they stopped cutting down trees.

lol enjoy your ignorance, i heard it can be bliss...

Have you ever considered the possibility that the people here (including some real scientists) might understand the science better than you? Because while I'm not a scientist I do know a lot about space science (more than enough to spot the regular howlers from the various flavors of Trek), and to my eyes it is you that needs to learn the science better and to improve your debating skills.

Also even when partially masked with asterisks swear words are still against the forum rules and liable to get you in trouble with the mods.
Discussion of plotics is also against the rules of this forum so you should stop. On the more general issue of global warming it is a hell of a lot more complex than just people cutting down trees, for a start a mature forest emits as much CO2 as it absorbs so just not cutting trees down while still burning fossil fuels wouldn't work.

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I wish I knew why the Mayan calendar finished in 2012, anyone have any brilliant ideas? Is it just when the cycle with all its other cycles comes to a point where it can do a Michael Finnigan, and bigginagin.

Maybe their math was lacking a little accuracy after that date and the error factor was becoming unbearable.

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Note especially these rules: 2. Civility and Decorum, 3. Language, and 13. Alternative Concepts and Conspiracy Theories, all of which you have broken.

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For the same reason that the Gregorian calender finishes in the year 9999, it just runs out of digits.

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The Mayan calendar doesn't finish in 2012, any more than our calendar finished in 1999, it just turns over to their equivalent of a new millennium. And it just happens to be in 2012, there is nothing magical to that.

Actually, the Mayans did a pretty good job on visual astronomy and tracking things like planets and lunar cycles. Search back through this and other 2012 threads for tons of more information.

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Well its possible for an asteroid to bounce off of something and change its course can it? I mean that is possible, but im sure they are people watching its course. I'm glad science is here, but i do believe there is alot more than we know.

Hopefully in 2012 i can see myself entering 2013 and learning more, educating myself and continue towards self-development.

yep...sigh....then again, if by chance it does end.....atleast im not the only person dying....everyones dying.....HA!

This is a bit extreme don't you think?

It's also "possible" that you're body is going to spontaneously get sucked into a migrating wormhole and appear on the other side of the galaxy. Albeit, the possibility is extraordinarily remote.... I wouldn't lose any sleep over it.

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Depends on what your definition of extreme is.

Wormholes haven't even been proven, have they?

It's possible - though extraordinarily rare - for an asteroid to hit another asteroid and change its course. It's possible for an asteroid to be affected by a planet's gravity, though if an asteroid hits a planet, it isn't going to bounce.

However, space is big, and you'd need an asteroid that was in a place for this to be an issue for Earth.

"Its" course? Are you thinking of some particular asteroid? I'm not aware of evidence for any asteroid to be striking Earth in 2012.

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Well for instance toutatis, but im know more interested in the whole wormhole thing, blacksholes, whiteholes, information can't be destoryed.

This is sum pretty deep stuff, parallel universe and such.

Stuff like this fascinates me, probably due to that fact of how much information ie knowledge is out there.

Life never ceases to amaze me, i have gone off topic now.

To be on topic, ive even heard that in 2012 we'll get suck into the super massive black hole thats at the center of our galaxy,........if so i wouldn't wanna be around for that day......or maybe i would?

Nope, there's no evidence our course through the Galaxy will come anywhere near the Galaxy's central black hole anytime within the existence of the Sun's lifespan. We're in too high an orbit around the Galactic Core to suddenly drop that far.

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There is no evidence that 4179 Toutatis would hit the Earth in 2012.

If you have general astronomy questions, you might want to ask in the Q&A section, and you'll probably get a better discussion than in the CT forum.

That's not possible. The sun is about 26,000 light years from the center of the galaxy. The sun is moving about 220 km per second in orbit around the center, but assuming we were heading straight for the black hole we think is there at current speed, it would take over 30 million years to get there.

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I meant it could be possible for toutatis to just slam into another rock and changes its course for earth but as you said its unlikely.

So true.

It seems a lot of astronomical misconceptions could be cleared up if more people realised just how much nothing there is in space!

In fact, I'm still trying to reconcile myself to the fact that our asteroid belt is nothing like the asteroid "fields" that SciFi portrays. Billions upon billions of rocks, yet if you're next to one, you'll be lucky to see another one with the naked eye.

So much nothing...such vast distances...I'm getting dizzy again...Don't even start talking to me about the Oort cloud, I'll probably faint...

I don't know what the odds are, but I imagine the odds of being like that one forest ranger who was struck by lightning like seventeen times are higher.

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Yes, much higher. You'd have to have another significant asteroid cross its path (which we don't have any evidence for, and would be insanely unlikely anyway) and it would then have to change the path in a way that mattered.

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In 2012, you'll see Triplebird turn the big 3-0.


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Roy Sullivan was hit by lightning seven times, not seventeen. And he was a Park Ranger, not a Forest Ranger (i.e. he worked for the National Park Service, not the US Forest Service.)
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"Now everyone was giving her that kind of look UFOlogists get when they suddenly say, 'Hey, if you shade your eyes you can see it is just a flock of geese after all.'"

"You can't erase icing."

"I can't believe it doesn't work! I found it on the internet, man!"

Without checking your link, I'm going to guess he worked at Shenandoah National Park. The name sounds familiar.

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So what will we see in 2012? The last transit of Venus for over a century.

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Plus for those of us who are alive during that time period, we'll see January 1, 2012, December 31, 2012, and the 364 days in between.

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Swift is quite correct it is like a calendar getting to the end of one cycle and beginning another anew. That is the nice explanation.

However, for those who like a bit of mystery ... what do you think of this excellent picture of the day from APOD
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap071211.html

If one had 3D glasses and the effect was that we are wrapped in spirals of stars on a tubular rubber sheet effect the look would be very reminiscent of the Celtic cross. 3D is excellent, I have recently seen the Beowulf movie and still have the polarised glasses.

Now given the movie houses can do such spectacular things with billions of pixels the known position of a few million stars and such should be a cinch ... budget constraints allowing for the computer time and such.

I have been playing with shapes, I will post a few which could be cyclical or even reverse trended to flow in a two cornered circular square right through the flow of the universe from end to end. Naturally that is your alpha - omega picture in small scale ... anyway here is a rough set of ideas



Note if one looks at other flows for double figure 8 patterns one need look no further than the ocean thermal currents that encircle both north and south poles and use temperature for separation ... different kettle of fish though. Space would need a different set of dynamics and we are not going to go into EU or plasma theory here, cheers

Nothing, olympic games in the uk will still take place and there will still be people worrying about the end of mankind. If it happens it happens, but not predicted.....The earth will come to an end but the date ? Who knows..........Enjoy life, cant stop the end of mankind so why worry about it.

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It is an interesting concept though. Imagine the Olympic games very successfully held and so they should be. Then the calendar resets normally and it is remembered the next year ... so far so good.

Now according to the crossing theory the calendar resets so that physical matter and consciousness has to cross. What about a successful games and the conscious mind of one who gets confused and bounces back?

At some future point for all of us who have crossed the boundary and discussing the games there is a person living the confusing life of one who is unliving their past. All the events up to the threshold are remembered and it is the year before the Olympic games that the person remembers it just as we would the year after.

They continue their lives up to a point where some change due to their perception of reality unwinding interferes with the forward passage of their life and the crossing of the boundary of time does not occur for them. The new time line for them and everyone else that they have altered in their reverse perception of existence now rewrites and the future is altered and re-altered until all of the lives have finalised and crossed the boundary or terminated.

It is worth noting that Nostradamus mentioned a hundred years of time wars. So how about the war of time between conflicted persons conscious mind no longer attached to the direction of the reality they are in. What would you do as a leader knowing that an important person if identified could unlive a life of extreme significance to the world. Would you allow them to continue to progress backwards to some point in their past where they could unaccomplish the very things that they worked their whole lives to put in place?

What if it were some insignificant person? What if they caused a significant person to not do the one thing they had most helped the world with? What if an insignificant person was able to harness the future knowledge they were unliving to set themselves up as a power broker in a time line that was not ever there for them to the harm of others who originally had achieved success?

All very interesting concepts and easily dismissed in a plain ordinary universe ... but what about one that is stranger than the human mind is equipped to cope with.

Care to explain what in the hell you are talking about?? What "crossing theory"??

Since Nostradamus has been shown to be a complete fraud, it really isn't "worth noting".

...and who cares about what happens in 2102...I'm surprised that more people are not worried about what happens after 11:59PM, tonight!!

After all...our calendar "ends" today.

Has anyone seen bmp bmp lately??

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To paraphrase REM, "Its the end of the year as we know it, and I feel fine."

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Not to mention the 100th anniversary of the loss of the Titanic.
Lest we forget...

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