I would welcome him. Just showing up here at all would go a long way toward redeeming him for me.

Actually I'd be a little disapointed if he didn't since this is the guy that made a living promoting other people looking fear in the eye and beating it. Coming here should be a walk in the park compared to eating a leech sausage.

__________________
Howling from the Shadows

It must be fun to lead a life completely unburdened by reality. --- JayUtah

You can't reason an irrational person out of an irrational belief. --- Noclevername

Apollo: The History and the Hoax
Enter the World of Athran

Ah yes...but now Joe has been invited to participate here on this board.

And on this board no one will be allowed to attack him. He'll be compelled to stick to the facts and so will all those people who might wish him ill.

Then by all means, he should come and demonstrate that as fact.

I have to agree. Joe Rogan may love puppies and long walks in the rain, but we have no choice but to form our opinion of him from his public demonstrations. If he wants to change that impression he needs to supply contradictory data.

It's not a skeptic board or a debunking board, it is a porn board.

They have just as much right to enforce content restrictions on their board as we do on ours. Apollo discussions may have appeared there, but they were demonstrably off-topic. Attempts to talk only about Apollo were definitively rebuffed.

It is my opinion that "If" Joe is serious about his Apollo "concerns", then he will have to come here to discuss them.

Or anywhere dominated by fact. But if he is not serious about it, then he deserves all the scorn that has been heaped upon him for being so irresponsible.

__________________
"Facts are stubborn things." --John Adams
Clavius Moon Base

Apparently you can if you're sufficiently creative with your "porn" upload, and you don't tick off the wrong mod.

By no stretch of the imagination would my contribution constitute "porn", but somehow I'm still allowed to post there.

{whistling through the graveyard}

__________________
Apollo unbelievers go here for immediate salvation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khDI2MsWSYc

"I had a hand in Tom Morrow's kiester."
-JayUtah

"The only physical proof nasa has that they landed men on the moon is 840 lbs. of rocks"
-straydog02

I want to be clear on this. I hold no "ill will" toward Joe or his mods. I'm of the mind that they can conduct themselfs however their conscience allows...however, if Joe is serious about wanting to know the truth about the Apollo missions, then he should be willing to engage in an open discussion, and that can't be done on his board.

Or, if you are an invited guest...such as the BA who has 50+ posts there. (which surprised me.)

Ummmm...well...not exactly. Unless a guy wearing prosthetic "mammaries" as a movie stunt could be considered legitimate "porn". That's not how I understand the definition of it though.

__________________
Apollo unbelievers go here for immediate salvation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khDI2MsWSYc

"I had a hand in Tom Morrow's kiester."
-JayUtah

"The only physical proof nasa has that they landed men on the moon is 840 lbs. of rocks"
-straydog02

Right. From the way he represented it, it sounds like he and Phil are friendly off the air. That may have been part of the reason why the BA seemed a little taken aback during the last debate. I don't think he'd seen that side of Rogan before.

__________________
Apollo unbelievers go here for immediate salvation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khDI2MsWSYc

"I had a hand in Tom Morrow's kiester."
-JayUtah

"The only physical proof nasa has that they landed men on the moon is 840 lbs. of rocks"
-straydog02

Not that there's anything wrong with it, but you "went along" with the "gag", as where I started there saying "absolutely no way am I going to do this"...

So there is that difference.

I believe it's a matter of them wanting to control people, and making a person do, well anything out of the ordinary is an expression of that control.

Joe Rogan.

I barely knew who the guy was 2 weeks ago. Yeah I knew he hosted Fear Factor, was on News Radio, and was one of the new hosts of the Man Show. But he was definitely not on my radar.

All of a sudden he is everywhere. Another board I frequent had a major discussion about his run in with Carlos Mencia. After checking that incident out, I actually thought Rogan was kind of cool. A bit more aggressive than I would've been in the same situation, but I wasn't there and I don't know the scene. Still, I liked the fact that he was sticking up for other comedians.

Now a few days later and my second dose of Rogan. This one I'm not as much of a fan of, obviously. Hopefully, he gets straightened out on this misguided idea of his and I can have my somewhat good opinion of him validated. Coming here to debate would be really cool. I don't think there is much chance of it happening, but if it were to happen, I would definitely start to believe the guy is genuinely pretty cool. Misguided here, yes, but cool. And if he was shown to be in error and admitted it, I would be a fan of his for life. Two really ballsy (hopefully using that term is ok here) acts in a month or so would be pretty impressive.

If some of you don't know about what he did with Carlos Mencia, it might be worth checking out. It's a bit vulgar and aggressive, but it is interesting. Basically he accusses Mencia of stealing jokes from lesser known comedians (and some not-so-lesser-known comedians). He does it in a very public and confrontational way, which was gutsy (I hear he has quite a lot of skill at some martial art or another as well).

Anyway, it is at least interesting that all of a sudden the guy is all over my radar. Hope he gets this one right eventually.

From the way he represented it, it sounds like he and Phil are friendly off the air. That may have been part of the reason why the BA seemed a little taken aback during the last debate.

I would be quite sympathetic to the notion that Rogan was just playing a character. His expertise is entertainment. But even if Rogan was an actor playing a part, Phil was not. That's an important circumstance. And if that were the case, then all you have at the end of the show is applause and a curtain call, not proof of anything.

__________________
"Facts are stubborn things." --John Adams
Clavius Moon Base

If he's playing a character, he does it with several people. Joe Rogan attacks Carlos Mencia in Febuary:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsq1uTLBHBc

Similar, if not more militant, style. Wether you like or despise Mencia, notice his continuous allegations, and his style of shouting down answers.

A sympathetic response to Mencia, for fairness' sake:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnr67Giq-LE

His recent activites mostly appear to be self-serving publicity stunts for an otherwise miserable failure of a comic.

__________________
"I have this theory that the Apollo missions were faked when NASA found out that general relativity was wrong because the Earth was expanding due to the Sun's iron core being influenced by magnetic waves from the electric universe after being perturbed by Planet X and thereby causing global warming. Where should I start a thread about this?" ~ ToSeek

"Those are the people that wonder how a thermos knows whether to keep something hot or keep something cold." ~ NeoWatcher

It is completely possible for two people to disagree violently about an issue but get along on a lot of other issues.

__________________
If it's just us, it seems like an awful waste of space.
Contact Carl Sagan
He who shall win loses, he who loses wins.
-the five doctors
http://davidsuniverse.wordpress.com/

I dunno about that...
I have had some disagreements with some folks right here on this board- and i have been treated like the scum of the Earth by them ever since i DARED to not agree with them.
Or to Type my posts in the manner that they want me to. Or if I don't politely ignore their personal attacks....

I think for Most People, they will hold a grudge for people that vocally disagree with them.

Well I have had disagreements with people about some issues and we were friends besides that. On the other hand there have times were I have said something to someone and they go nuts about it but with these individuals they were already issues going on anyway.

__________________
If it's just us, it seems like an awful waste of space.
Contact Carl Sagan
He who shall win loses, he who loses wins.
-the five doctors
http://davidsuniverse.wordpress.com/

thats because you actually engaged him and he wanted to continue talking to you. Your porn wouldnt have flown if you hadn't posted something worthwhile in the thread and pretty much got invited guest status. Phil was an invited guest.

the rest of the whiners.. get over it. When you go to someone elses house you follow their rules. Just because you dont agree with the rules doesn't mean you get a pass to do as YOU please. You went to his house and were asked to follow the rules and didn't so you got banned.

SVector I'm actually kinda disappointed, you have been treated very well on the Rogan board for no other reason than you effectivley debunked something that Joe previous believed in and he gave you your due props and treated you with respect. Thats not the attitude of someone who doesn't want to know the truth, its one thats heard every other arguement before and isnt buying it. You brought something new and he paid attention and went looking for more information.

People like R.A.F flooding the board acting like children because they are put off by the rules of the house they are visiting tends to make people mad. Its not about the porn.. its about showing respect for where you are at by first demostrating you can read, and follow directions. Without doing either of those nobody will take you seriously.

PS. I'm not Joe, just followed the link you posted from over there. Also keep in mind that this topic also happened at the same time as the Carlos Mencia stuff and there has been a HUGE influx of new members there (like a few thousand in a week or two's time) so there is alot of white noise that usually isn't there and trigger happy mods.

Getoverit
You make a good point.
When in anothers house you dont enforce your own rules- nor ignore theirs.

However there still remains a universal rule of RESPECT. You are saying that people should respect porn.
I personally cant do that. I think its filthy and poisons the mind. Thats just my opinion- but people engrossed in porn lose perspective of whats Truly Valuable. I haven't been to the Rogan board either for that reason.

Its hard to maintain anothers rules that are vulgar and crude simply to confront them about an issue that is not vulgar and crude- and they ask you to BE vulgar and crude just to be there to state your case.

If Joe Rogan came here to this board- Noone would ask him to do crazy things like post lizard pictures or stand on his head. It would simply be discuss his views- his motives and the truth about Apollo

and thats really the issue isn't it? It IS an addicting board full of laughs.

Look you went into that situation hell bent on not following the rules because you didn't agree with them. The fact that people like you wouldnt agree with posting porn is exactly why that rule is there, to let you know you are probibly in the wrong place and won't enjoy the board. However, you specifically posted there with the full intent of not following the rules. I registered here but if I had done so without the intent of following the rules and went off on a rampage and started posting porn I'd get banned. Then I would go back to my board and whine and moan about the babies who banned me and have lots of bad things to say.


See how this works?

there are thousands and thousands of topics on that board and most of them would likely offend you to no end. That doesn't make you a bad person, nor does it make the regulars of that board bad people. It means we all have different interests but your opinion of what is filth shouldn't be instituted on us because you want to discuss a topic posted there. This conversation is being held numerous places but if you wanted to go talk directly Joe you had to go to HIS house.. so you gotta follow his rules.

again The fact that people like you wouldnt agree with posting porn is exactly why that rule is there, to let you know you are probibly in the wrong place and won't enjoy the board.

What is it about the board that makes it so enjoyable for you? and so terrible for me?

You say my "opinion" of what is filth shouldnt be instituted on you if i want to discuss a topic there. Yet you have instituted PORN on those who do post there? that makes no sense.

right now I am trying to figure out what porn has to do with going to moon and at the moment I am thinking it is similar to nazi business, it has nothing to do with the real issue.

__________________
If it's just us, it seems like an awful waste of space.
Contact Carl Sagan
He who shall win loses, he who loses wins.
-the five doctors
http://davidsuniverse.wordpress.com/

because porn doesn't bother me at all, its not about the porn its about filtering out people who want to press their ideals on you because they don't agree with a non censored attitude. Thats the environment the regulars of that board have chosen to have there, so why is that such a problem for you? It just proves the point that what is on that board wouldn't be of much interest to you because posting porn offends you. If the porn gets you upset then believe me 99% of the topics posted likely will as well. This is ONE topic in the midst of thousands and thousands of topics. Who are YOU to tell us we can't have a place to post where we don't have to worry about offending anyone? Most of us work in the PC world where you gotta behave yourself, so why is it such a bad thing for us to have a place to kick it and let loose without worrying about who's knickers are going to get in a twist?

See.. I can follow rules, I'm not even cussing.

I respect your view on porn and not wanting to post it, but why should a board with thousands of people who are not bothered by the filth have to stop because you want to discuss one topic of thousands?

nothing. Its one topic on a board with thousands and thousands of topics, so why should the rules get changed because you guys want to go there and debate Joe? What makes you so special that you feel the rules should be bent for you? If you are an invited guest you are exempt from having to post porn (such as Phil was) but you guys were not invited. You guys just decided that you wanted to invade the board to tell Joe what you thought of him and his views...

If you guys paid any type of attention you would have noticed that most of the board believes in the moon landing, but that seems to have slipped right by you all.


Had you brought something new to the table (such as SVector did) you would have been treated like SVector and given invited status.. sadly most of you just went there to spout off about how much you don't like Joe, what an idiot he was or complain about the porn rule. That makes you white noise and expendable.

Who are YOU to tell us we can't have a place to post where we don't have to worry about offending anyone?

But you are offending people by demanding that if they want to talk to you there, they have to do something that is morally wrong for them. How is that not offensive? Imagine if we demanded that by your 10th post you had to write a paper on quantum mechanics and it's use in astronomy to prove that you'd be sitable for being on the board and if you didn't you'd be banned because you wouldn't fit in here.

__________________
Howling from the Shadows

It must be fun to lead a life completely unburdened by reality. --- JayUtah

You can't reason an irrational person out of an irrational belief. --- Noclevername

Apollo: The History and the Hoax
Enter the World of Athran

Well if Joe needs porn to discuss the moon landings this is the wrong place, if he can do it without porn he is invited to come and discuss it but if you are going to ban people for not posting porn I guess most people here are not going over there to discuss it.( I actually liked news radio, but not the rest of his stuff).

__________________
If it's just us, it seems like an awful waste of space.
Contact Carl Sagan
He who shall win loses, he who loses wins.
-the five doctors
http://davidsuniverse.wordpress.com/

you are a grown up and have a choice. Its ok if you are offended by that but why do you think they would care enough to talk to you to give you a break from the rules. People who are invited there to discuss issues are exempt from it (see Phil and later SVector) Nobody says you have to agree with the rules, if you don't like it don't post there. This isn't rocket science guys. Nobody owes you a conversation just because you want to have it.

my problem is having to post porn as a requirement to be member.

__________________
If it's just us, it seems like an awful waste of space.
Contact Carl Sagan
He who shall win loses, he who loses wins.
-the five doctors
http://davidsuniverse.wordpress.com/

apparently you've missed the point.

Its not about the porn, its about filtering out white noise and do gooders. Don't take this the wrong way dude, but the rule is there pretty much to keep people like you out. I don't know if you're just hurt that you've been excluded or what but again it goes back to 1 topic of a message board with thousands of topics and every other topic likely would get your panties in a twist as well.

Nobody owes you guys a conversation. Phil was invited there to discuss the issue. SVector was given a hall pass because he came with something new and presented a valid answer (and debunking) to something Joe previously hadn't seen. The rest of you are just coming off as little kids kicked off the playground and throwing a bit of a tantrum because feel you have a right to be there to discuss what you want to discuss. Why does the Rogan board owe that to you?

because if porn offends you I promise you won't like much else there either.

People who are invited there to discuss issues are exempt from it. Nobody says you have to agree with the rules, if you don't like it don't post there.

I was not planning on posting there, Joe has made it quite clear that he doesn't want people like me posting there, in fact specifically targets me and those of my belief in his FAQ. I'm still happy to debate him if he wants to do so in a place where there is no catch other then being nice, but since he's made it quite clear I'm not welcome there, why would I want to bother?

Of course if you had to post White Supremacy doctrine to "weed out the blacks" instead of porn to "weed out the christians" I'm sure that the views you are posting would be just as valid right?

__________________
Howling from the Shadows

It must be fun to lead a life completely unburdened by reality. --- JayUtah

You can't reason an irrational person out of an irrational belief. --- Noclevername

Apollo: The History and the Hoax
Enter the World of Athran