I have to tell you my gut feeling, SVector - it's a bad idea, no matter what he may "agree" to in advance. He doesn't strike me as someone who's particularly concerned about his personal honor or integrity when it comes to the opportunity to be a bully, despite whatever assurances he may lull you into. Don't get suckered into this attention hound's latest stunt

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"I have this theory that the Apollo missions were faked when NASA found out that general relativity was wrong because the Earth was expanding due to the Sun's iron core being influenced by magnetic waves from the electric universe after being perturbed by Planet X and thereby causing global warming. Where should I start a thread about this?" ~ ToSeek

"Those are the people that wonder how a thermos knows whether to keep something hot or keep something cold." ~ NeoWatcher

Concern noted and appreciated.

This ain't exactly my first rodeo however. We'll see if Joe agrees to my terms, and go from there.

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"The only physical proof nasa has that they landed men on the moon is 840 lbs. of rocks"
-straydog02

Heck...there is no need to rely on "gut feelings", just look at Rogan's (post Penn show) behavior. Not only has he misrepresented what went on during the show, he has made statements which have put his integrity and honor into question.

In other words, I simply do not believe the words that come out of Joe Rogan's mouth, and those that do, do so at their own risk.

Svector...I'd like to know just what you plan to do when Joe starts yelling and ranting about things that are irrelevant to the validity of the Apollo missions?? How exactly do you propose to stop him from doing that??

I've said it before, I'll say it again...the ONLY way that Joe would participate in a fair debate is if it is forced upon him. Since I don't believe he will ever agree to a fair debate, there is no reason to engage him in any discussion concerning Apollo.

Unfortunately, as far as I understand, you can't prove something didn't happen. You can only blow away the evidence that it did.

I could prove a piece of paper wasn't sliced in half by merely displaying it.

Svector, if you're really determined to do this, since you can't win a shout-down with him, I suggest you employ the Chewbacca Defense on him

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chewbacca_defense

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"I have this theory that the Apollo missions were faked when NASA found out that general relativity was wrong because the Earth was expanding due to the Sun's iron core being influenced by magnetic waves from the electric universe after being perturbed by Planet X and thereby causing global warming. Where should I start a thread about this?" ~ ToSeek

"Those are the people that wonder how a thermos knows whether to keep something hot or keep something cold." ~ NeoWatcher

If it happens, it won't be a debate at all. I already told him I'm not interested in a shouting match like the "debate" with Phil. I proposed a different format and he seemed to like the idea. I've emailed him with some more details but so far haven't heard back.

We'll see if it goes anywhere. He might've just been blowing smoke to get a reaction out of me. Time will tell.

I also reminded him that Jay offered to debate him in a formal setting, with actual debate protocols in place. So far no response to that offer, but he's probably a busy guy. Let's give him ample time to respond.

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"I had a hand in Tom Morrow's kiester."
-JayUtah

"The only physical proof nasa has that they landed men on the moon is 840 lbs. of rocks"
-straydog02

Yes, but how do we know it's THE piece of paper? You could've used an invisible robotic probe, just like NASA did in the late 60's to surreptitiously replace the sheet at the last second.

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"I had a hand in Tom Morrow's kiester."
-JayUtah

"The only physical proof nasa has that they landed men on the moon is 840 lbs. of rocks"
-straydog02

LOL. That's an idea.

Do you think Joe knows he's supposed to "let the Wookiee win"?

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Apollo unbelievers go here for immediate salvation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khDI2MsWSYc

"I had a hand in Tom Morrow's kiester."
-JayUtah

"The only physical proof nasa has that they landed men on the moon is 840 lbs. of rocks"
-straydog02

I suggest you employ the Chewbacca Defense on him

The Chewbacca Defence is logically flawed however.

Observe:

this is Chewbacca. Chewbacca is a Wookiee from the planet Kashyyyk. But Chewbacca lives on the planet Endor. Now think about it; that does not make sense!

The problem here is that Chewbacca DOES NOT live on Endor. Chewbacca visited Endor and remained a short period of time. He lived there no more than he lived on Tatooine, Hoth or Bespin.

If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must acquit!

And if he doesn't, you must find guilty. Since he doesn't, it's a bad defense to rely on, and that doesn't make sense.

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It must be fun to lead a life completely unburdened by reality. --- JayUtah

You can't reason an irrational person out of an irrational belief. --- Noclevername

Apollo: The History and the Hoax
Enter the World of Athran

And if that doesn't make sense, Apollo must have happened as NASA stated.

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"I have this theory that the Apollo missions were faked when NASA found out that general relativity was wrong because the Earth was expanding due to the Sun's iron core being influenced by magnetic waves from the electric universe after being perturbed by Planet X and thereby causing global warming. Where should I start a thread about this?" ~ ToSeek

"Those are the people that wonder how a thermos knows whether to keep something hot or keep something cold." ~ NeoWatcher

If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must acquit!

And if he doesn't, you must find guilty.

Denying the antecedent.

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"When your statics problem becomes a dynamics problem, you're in trouble." --me

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At one point I had a comment to make regarding Joe Rogan's arguments and motivation. Then I got lost in the extended distraction about the rules for posting on his board and whether or not it was fair to complain here about the rules there, etc.

My observation is that to me it does not appear that the Apollo missions as real or as hoax is the significant issue for Joe. He himself states that he does not know and does not have any inside information, he just finds things "weird". I have not perused his board, but from statements he made in the two radio segments, it appears to me that what concerns Joe is the Grand Conspiracy. Joe is displeased with the actions of the current administration, and with things he sees the government doing now and that it has done. He distrusts politicians. He appears to be looking for actions of the government with which to criticize them.

It appears that to Joe, Apollo being a hoax is an example of the disreputable government lying to the American people and the world, probably for some nefarious motives like bilking us of tax dollars to hide in secret military projects, or line their own pockets. The oddness of the claims to him is important, because it allows him justification to scrutinize everything. Notice how his statements in the "debate" made reference to modern current affairs (I believe Iraq was mentioned) as somehow relevant to the Apollo question.

Some of you have proposed that Rogan's primary motivation is his own celebrity, and the Moon Hoax claims are just an avenue for attention. Perhaps. But I also think it possible, even probable, that Joe really does question the issue. He is sincere in his desire to get answers, but unwilling to accept the answers for a different underlying reason.

I don't think it is a situation of Rogan picking out the hoax as a topic because it is outlandish or exciting and thus able to draw attention. I think rather that he may be pursuing publicly something already of interest with him. In this regard, I think he is different than Andy Kaufman. Kaufman deliberately did things to make people uncomfortable. To Kaufman, the joke was on the audience. I think it possible, even likely, that Kaufman promoted questioning Apollo merely to make the public doubt something significant and amazing, something they found impressive, inspiring, and incredible. I think Kaufman just wanted to make people uneasy, make them uncomfortable, and what better topic than a crowning achievement of the 20th century, indeed of human history - setting foot on another celestial body. Kaufman was very calculating in his approach to "humor". Kaufman liked to manipulate the audience, and didn't much care for truth or reality. I think Rogan is different - he isn't after the Apollo Hoax because he can use it for publicity, he is intrigued by the question, and it fits with his conception of the world and ideas about the government and politics. If his questioning Apollo brings him attention, he will happily pursue it, but I think his interest in the Apollo hoax has personal motivations that happen to coincide with his ability to use it for attention.

Yeah, I think that fits more into the catagory of blowing away the evidence. The way I have always learned it is; you can't prove a negative. For example, prove Peter Pan doesn't exist.

On Monday, Joe Rogan posted the following to his board...

Notice that he isn't considering changing the rule because of complaints, but that he personally has grown tired of it...poor fella.

I think we need a better method of filtering out tards.

I would suggest an IQ test, but that would ban Joe from his own board, and we can't have that...

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"I have this theory that the Apollo missions were faked when NASA found out that general relativity was wrong because the Earth was expanding due to the Sun's iron core being influenced by magnetic waves from the electric universe after being perturbed by Planet X and thereby causing global warming. Where should I start a thread about this?" ~ ToSeek

"Those are the people that wonder how a thermos knows whether to keep something hot or keep something cold." ~ NeoWatcher

I don't know what's so hard. From my experience, the "tards" -as Joe qppqrently likes to call people he doesn't like- are nicely labeled "moderator" on that board.

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To the regular visitor of internet bulletin boards it is clear that it's an excellent idea your parents get to choose your real name.

I offered up my suggestion:

At last check, he had not taken any action on it

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"I had a hand in Tom Morrow's kiester."
-JayUtah

"The only physical proof nasa has that they landed men on the moon is 840 lbs. of rocks"
-straydog02