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No offense Phil, but you're not doing the best job hehe

Gus hung the lemon on a simulator because it wasn't kept up to date with the actual LM design.

... with the actual CM design.

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THANKS MUCH! I was bummed cuz i missed it

I wished that Joe would've shut up about Von Braun beign a Nazi. He stayed on that much longer than needed.

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The host keeps talking about how Calm and Humble Joe is- But he isn't.
Im listening and hes aggressive and Constantly interrupting. He hardly will Let Phil Answer his questions.
The host has no knowledge of strawman arguments does he?

ETA: Ok i just finished listening to the whole clip and over all im not happy with the Show hosts lack of conrtrol- nor with Joe Rogans aggressive and dishonest tactics. He keeps saying over and over that he doesnt KNOW either way if we went to the moon- but it "smells" funny to him. Yet his arguments are TOTALLY on the side of HB as well as he tells Phil Several times that Phil didnt convince him ( as if he is ALREADY convinced that its a hoax)
None of his arguments are based on PROOF but rather to CAST DOUBT.
He liked to lead arguments up several trees at one time. Never allowing ANY of them at any point to be answered.
He brought up several points that either dont really Tie in- or have no proof either way- it just CAN if interpretted as such- CAST DOUBT. e.g. why did Van Braun go to Antarctica to collect Rocks? its WEIRD he says. It doesnt seem weird to me AT ALL> NASA needed to try to figure out WHAT conditions the astronauts would be facing up there.

Joe acted so "Full of sincerety" but im not buying it. At all.
He said things like "well i dont know" about a LOT of his "anamolies" that he COULD KNOW about if he did a little research. A sincere person would RESEARCH before trying to argue the case that he argued. He admits he doesnt research it. and that he doesnt know. He is well aware of Bad Astronomy dot com and at ANY time could browse the site and get the answers to his questions- but he doesnt seem to have answers to them...
I think hes having fun.

Joe Rogan speant WAY too much talking about Von Braun being a Nazi. Plus he really drove me crazy by not letting Phil get a word in the conversation in the beginning (I'm a big BA fan ). He keeps talking each time Phil tries to say something, he just cuts him off.

I like the point that Phil makes about the fact that the Bill Clinton and Monica thing couldn't be kept secret. How could NASA keep a moon landing hoax secret?

I have the feeling that these arguments will just go in circles. I don't see Joe Rogan changing his opinion any time soon on the moon landing.

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Joe Rogan said that there are photos and videos of Wernher von Braun in Antarctica collecting several hundred pounds of rocks and such documentation is widely available. Is there such documentation?

Is there such documentation?

Of course not.

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It makes no snese that the believers of the landing need to prove it.

Yet if Joe Rogan wants to claim that he was there collecting hundreds of pounds of rocks (which he says is SO WEIRD) than Rogan needs to prove it and provide the evidence.

By claiming he is just struck by the fact it is weird he is making no statement worth paying attention to- he must back up his claim.

Sadly, it is far more likely that it will be the debunkers who research and provide the actual proof- that the HB's will either turn around and deny- or ignore completely as if nothing happened.

Joe kept saying "Moon rocks from Antarctica"...they were rocks, not even sure what they were at the time. And I know they didn't have the dust coating that all the Lunar samples has, were melted from reentry, lacked the zap pits, etc.
The Nazi thing was stupid, they just hired the best rocket engineer they could find. The Soviets did the same thing. Should we have just not grabbed him when he surrendered, seeing full well the future intentions of the Soviets?
Joe went on in some detail about the compartmentalized nature of NASA, then very shortly thereafter said "I don't understand how the program works". Which is it, can't have both. He doesn't seem to understand the idea of subcontractors.
The lemon on the LM thing was, well, botched.
The communications/data training satellite, Joe's just parroting a HB thing there.
Compartmentalization...a lot of folks need to know and understand how their piece interfaces with the whole system...not all maybe, but very many.
Not back to the Moon...just look at the TV ratings of the later missions...folks lost interest, and won't pay billions to keep going.

Radio shows like this aren't the best place to try to debate the whole of the hoax theory...maybe just a piece of it, but the whole smash is just too much to encompass.

Joe kept saying "Moon rocks from Antarctica"...they were rocks, not even sure what they were at the time.

Did von Braun bring back rocks?

I was wondering how the conspiracist myth that von Braun was sent to Antactica to collect hundreds of pounds of moon rocks evolved into what it is today.

Did von Braun bring back rocks?

Not that I know of.

I was wondering how the conspiracist myth that von Braun was sent to Antactica to collect hundreds of pounds of moon rocks evolved into what it is today.

They found out that he went to Antarctica for a holiday in 1968, and since today we know that it is a good place to locate meteorites, as well as being the site of the first known lunarites, they put 2 and 2 together and come up with 15. funnily enough the best sopurce of lunarites seems to be Tunisa (due to it's desert conditions they stand out) but no one suggests that the moonrock came from there.

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The whole 'Von Braun in Antactica to collect moon rocks' is one of the most bizarre of all of the HB claims (and that is really saying something!).

Let's look at the logic here. You need a whole lot of meteorites because you are going to fake a lunar landing (beg your pardon, 6 lunar landings) and you need to be able to supply expectant geologists with output. Nearly a tonne of it, because if you're going to start a conspiracy, you may as well go the whole 10 yards.

Now, rather than come up with a reasonably plausible cover story as to why you can't supply them (fear of unidentifiable, possibly biological. contaminants; radiation levels too high to safely transport back to Earth in the CM with the crew, etc, etc), they send THE most identifiable face associated with the entire space programme to Antarctica to collect rocks (which even if they ARE lunar in origin, are going to have difficult-to-explain weathering and evidence of atmospheric entry) ... hey, and why not then take a whole bunch of holiday snapshots to commemorate the subterfuge? Oh, and will we send a geologist [say, Jack Schmitt who must already be in on the big secret], who may actually know a lunar rock from a lump of sandstone? No, tell you what, let's send a rocket engineer! I mean, they're all scientists, right???

Stupid, stupid, stupid people!!

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Well Von Braun did work for the nazis but he probably figured he was using them as much of them using him kind of situation. It was a way to fund his research into rockets, during thye cold war scientists used goverments on both sides to fund their research. I heard stories of one scientist using getting funding for a blockhole bomb just to get funding into blackholes, and another coming up with the idea of antimatter fighter to get funding into antimatter.

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My usual response to "Von Braun was a Nazi" is "So was Oskar Schindler"

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Do not think you had much choice of which political party yopu were a member of then in Germany.

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You know, I admire Phil's stamina and enthusiasm when debating these people but really, he's wasting his time with the likes of Joe Rogan. He's just another celebrity du jour ready to stand up and show the world he's not scared to be dumb. In my opinion, expend as much time and energy as is required to defend science and the truth in schools and general education and let lost causes like Rogan waffle on until the public are sick of him (and that WILL happen). Joe Rogan's opinions have about as much weight in real life as those of Tom Cruise.

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Oh yeah. Imagine Werner's future as a human and husband/family man had he refused to join the party, wear whatever uniform they considered appropriate for him and his position, refusing to build rockets to attack the Island. He spent time in jail for far less. They killed dissidents, and their families. We have no idea. I wasn't there. Neither were you.
Only he knows the personal demons he faced in later years, knowing all that was learned later, by him and us. I will never, I hope, have to walk in his shoes. This guilt by association is wrong...so few who raise it have any idea of the situation of those days. It's so easy t