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Old 20-March-2007, 08:04 AM
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While playing with my debunker on another forum I was browsing some Apollo 11 photos. This one I have never seen. But OMG it takes my breath away, it is just majestic, and for me anyway (sums the entire endeavor up) in one single photo

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Old 20-March-2007, 08:42 AM
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What took that picture?

Also I had always assumed the CM flew with the pointy end more horizontal to the surface, not pointed straight away like that shows. Granted it's just an assumption, but why would they bother to rotate it to that orientation in the first place?

Line of thought here, and much of this may be way off. I thought the "door" to the CM was at the pointy end. Didn't they have to flip the SM around to get into the LM, then have the same configuration to get back into the CM after lunar lift off? If that's right, and I question my knowledge of it, then why would the CM ever be in the orientation shown while over the Moon?
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What took that picture?

One of the crew in the LM I'd guess. It would have been taken either before descent to land, or before re-docking on the way back.
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Old 20-March-2007, 09:17 AM
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What took that picture?

One of the crew in the LM I'd guess. It would have been taken either before descent to land, or before re-docking on the way back.
Why would it have been so high above the CM? Or is just not as high as it looks?

And yeah, I did assume the LM was on the surface at the time. Rookie mistake.
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Old 20-March-2007, 09:45 AM
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http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/Hi...-37-5447HR.jpg
It was taken around the time of the CSM separation maneuver. The separation maneuver was done over the landing site and it was a 2.7 fps radially downward SM RCS burn. The spacecrafts are in the right positions and right orientation for that in the picture.

The separation burn was radially downwards, because the spacecrafts had to be in equiperiodic orbits in case the LM fails to burn DOI. Descent Orbit Insertion was a deceleration burn done on the opposite side of the moon from this point and for safety reasons they had to make sure that the LM is coming about three to four kilometers behind the CSM at the point of DOI. To accomplish this the CSM had to take the lower route so that it would reach the opposite intersection point before the LM.

[EDIT: Insertion, not Initiation]

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Old 20-March-2007, 09:55 AM
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Wow, thanks. That pretty much answered it all.

It is a great pic by the way.
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It makes my puny monitor sad! (I hate my monitor.)
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Clearly this picture was faked by NASA. Not only are there no stars, but the LM was supposed to go down to the surface of the Moon, and here it is above the CSM. As we all know, you can't get somewhere in space by going the other way! Plus, I see part of the matting used by the photofakery crew along the lower right side.
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Clearly this picture was faked by NASA. Not only are there no stars, but the LM was supposed to go down to the surface of the Moon, and here it is above the CSM. As we all know, you can't get somewhere in space by going the other way! Plus, I see part of the matting used by the photofakery crew along the lower right side.
Yeah, right, and now you will tell me that you know that cause you work with spacecraft like the Thunderbird 3
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Thunderbird 3, not the Thunderbird 3. It's clear you are no real spacecraft engineer.

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http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/Hi...-37-5447HR.jpg
It was taken around the time of the CSM separation maneuver.
Thanks for the higher res and explaination.
With the first picture, it took me a while to figure out that I was looking at the CM and not a crater.
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Thanks for the higher res and explaination.
With the first picture, it took me a while to figure out that I was looking at the CM and not a crater.
You mean the opposite shadow direction didn't clue you in?
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Careful what you admit to - you are rapidly losing your rights to nerdship
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It was taken around the time of the CSM separation maneuver. The separation maneuver was done over the landing site and it was a 2.7 fps radially downward SM RCS burn. The spacecrafts are in the right positions and right orientation for that in the picture.
Wow - I've seen that image before, but never in Hi-Res. It is just stunning.
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Well considering how every time glued the things I'd use so much it would damage the plastic and that every time I painted them it looked like a job made by Al Bundy, I think it's safe to admit it

Besides I took the Nerd Test (take a look at my Blog ) and got 98% so I am not too worried
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I'm looking at it right now on a 24" monitor in one of the CAD labs at school.
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Well considering how every time glued the things I'd use so much it would damage the plastic and that every time I painted them it looked like a job made by Al Bundy, I think it's safe to admit it
But did you at least "fly" the thing aroung the room every time you stuck a new part to the mess? Bonus points for making airplane noises while you did it.
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But did you at least "fly" the thing aroung the room every time you stuck a new part to the mess? Bonus points for making airplane noises while you did it.
In my neighborhood the proper noise for a prop plane was "Eeeeeyyyoooooowwwwww!" -- with the sound modulations synced to the swoop of the plane, of course. For jets it was more like "Sssssshhhhhhh!" (but there really isn't a proper way to write that sound).
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But did you at least "fly" the thing aroung the room every time you stuck a new part to the mess? Bonus points for making airplane noises while you did it.

Of course I did, did the safety dance while "flying them" too
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And were those noises anything like this? (WARNING! 10Mb AVI file!!!) turn up the sound, and the bass .... (I just LOVE the sound of this aircraft engine)

http://www.headology.pwp.blueyonder....pitfire_03.avi
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Some of us still build model aircraft , the static plastic kind, not the expensive, crash prone wonders that turn up on you tube...and no they never fly round the workshop straffing the cats , well hardly ever ..

I've been building models now for 40 or so of my 49 years , and one of these years my finished kits will look as good as they did in my head , when I started planning them

On and Spitfire IX - my current projects is , yup you've guessed it , a 1/32nd scale Spit IX, (technically a C winged early production varient in the markings of 303 Polish Sq, Code RF-M ) - and in modelling terms you can't be described as a nerd , until you can name at least 15 shades of Low Vis Grey - including their FS Numbers ....(I'm ashamed to say I can... hangs head in shame!)
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Some of us still build model aircraft , the static plastic kind, not the expensive, crash prone wonders that turn up on you tube...and no they never fly round the workshop straffing the cats , well hardly ever ..

I've been building models now for 40 or so of my 49 years , and one of these years my finished kits will look as good as they did in my head , when I started planning them

On and Spitfire IX - my current projects is , yup you've guessed it , a 1/32nd scale Spit IX, (technically a C winged early production varient in the markings of 303 Polish Sq, Code RF-M ) - and in modelling terms you can't be described as a nerd , until you can name at least 15 shades of Low Vis Grey - including their FS Numbers ....(I'm ashamed to say I can... hangs head in shame!)
I have neither the time nor the patience to make models, I envy those of you who do.
Nice pics by the way.
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