....and goodbye yonaberlino!

Yonaberlino and DogsHead have both been warned about violating the rules of this forum, yonaberlino for name-calling, and DogsHead for anticipating the moderator response thereto.

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Yonaberlino how about rather than just saying that the stuff about the Sun being "aligned" with the galactic center in 2012 being true and calling us names, actually explaining what that means (the Sun and GC are two points,they are always aligned, Earth won't be aligned with the Sun and GC in December 2012) and providing some actual evidence to back up the claims?

I dont know how you got that info but, its all true to every word you said.
now you got your answer from someone that knows more than every dumbass that says "I dont buy it"!

yonaberlino, are you saying most of the regulars here are "dumb____s" for not buying it?

If so, perhaps you'd like to explain why, if "its (sic) all true... every word", then Joseph couldn't even get the winter solstice time right (1111 UT vs 2311 UT). Or why the "alignment" isn't even at that time. Or why, given the sizes of the Sun and Earth, let alone the galactic core (which part of it, anyway?), there should be some sort of instantaneous reaction, or one which could be measured with such precision.

Its very important that you and more will be preperd for this moment

Why? What exactly will happen? What "energy" does the Earth receive from the galactic core (other than a bit of infrared light) and how will it be "disrupted"?

and any idiot that says other ways than me have an IQ of an APE! thats all I can tell you

But you haven't really told anyone anything yet, and since the claims in the OP are based on faulty assumptions anyway, I'm afraid I can't accept that statement on your personal authority.

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Actually there isn't even an alignment, unless one considers a conjunction of ~5 degrees to qualify as such. See my earlier post for details.

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Ok. Lets clear up exactly what will happen in 2012........

Rocky 7 will be released, we'll all be moaning about the usual nonsense (In my case Wales not being very good at rugby) and here in the UK, it'll rain. I'm hopeful I'll be around in 2013, if I'm not, then rest assured it won't be due to some ridiculous (non) alignment in 2012. I survived the millenium bug, the curse of comet Hale Boppe, and I'm sure all of us will experience no ill effects of a (non) alignment in 2012.

yonaberlino, for your own sanity and peace of mind, why not spend some time trying to find factual, scientific evidence to support any predictions made (you'll find none exists), and pay no attention to conspiricy theorists who only ever exploit your vulnerability due to your lack of knowledge in these matters. (no offence).

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Two years ago moved from my town
I was looking up past the city lights
But the city lights got in my way

See the constellation ride across the sky
No cigar, no lady on his arm
Just a guy made of dots and lines

-from "See The Constellation"
by They Might Be Giants

ARGH! Now I've put that song in my head!

Perhaps I was premature in my last post!

CJSF

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Two years ago moved from my town
I was looking up past the city lights
But the city lights got in my way

See the constellation ride across the sky
No cigar, no lady on his arm
Just a guy made of dots and lines

-from "See The Constellation"
by They Might Be Giants

Perhaps you were, I saw a promo film on one of the music channels the other day talking about Hanson's new album and the news is...... We're all doomed!!!!!

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This may have been posted but -

Knowing somewhat this world to the uneducated fields are probably going to be going nuts, will the government intervene with the media?

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This sounds like a job for HDD!

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hdd?

Knowing somewhat this world to the uneducated fields are probably going to be going nuts, will the government intervene with the media?

Welcome to the board.

I suspect you're asking, "will the government attempt to censor the media given that uneducated people will panic as this 2012 'end-date' approaches?"

The answer, I'm pretty sure, is no. That's because (a) there is nothing to 2012 claims, and (b) not that many people are paying any attention whatsoever to such claims. We often overestimate greatly just how much attention a given subject (2012, Apollo "hoax", 9/11 conspiracies) really draw from the general populace.

Most people neither know nor care about 2012 end-time claims in particular.
And for good reason.

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Hyper Dimensional Design. See the ATM forum for details.

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"Now everyone was giving her that kind of look UFOlogists get when they suddenly say, 'Hey, if you shade your eyes you can see it is just a flock of geese after all.'"

"You can't erase icing."

"I can't believe it doesn't work! I found it on the internet, man!"

Well, if they're releasing it in 2012, the Mayans were right.

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Oh ok thanks guys..
I think on that day however i will be extremely suspicious... = /

Suspicious of what, exactly?

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well what do you think, maybe some apocalyptic event to happen.
you cant be so sure that there wont be..

I think there is no evidence to connect an apocalyptic event with 2012.

In what sense? There is always a possibility at any time for disaster. However, there is nothing special about 2012, or any reason to be worried about it.

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In other words: Why would a "special disaster" strike in 2012? Why would a "special disaster" strike inspecifically 2012? Why not 2013, or 2011?

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I think he is looking for the word 'anxious' or 'nervous', rather than 'suspicious'.

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My conjecture:

By 'alignment' they may mean that the Sun, Earth and GC line up (in that order) at the moment when the Earth is at aphelion thus the gravitational pull of the Sun is weaker and that of the GC stronger, on the Earth. Except that would have them assuming that aphelion occurs at the solstice (its cold so we must be farther away from the Sun, right),,, wrong.

OR conversly

That at the solistice the Sun is between the Earth and GC with the Earth at perihelion and thus the gravitational pull of the GC added to that of the Sun would be at maximum.

Again this uses a mistaken assumption that perihelion is on Dec 21.

It ignores the 5 degree offset from the ecliptic.

It ignores the extremly weak gravitational pull of the GC on anything on Earth especially when compared to the moon, the other planets, other nearby stars in the Milky Way,,,,,,,,,,,

until those who believe in this actually attempt to flesh out what they are talking about I will not be 'suspicious', 'anxious' or 'nervous' on Dec 21, 2012 unless I wake up knowing that my wife's birthday was yesterday and I didn't remember that bit of trivia until then. If that occurs I might be all 3.

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You are aware that on May 27 of THIS year the Earth will be in line BETWEEN the Galactic center of the Milky Way and the giant galaxy MX1975(pictured in my avatar)? The gravitational pull of each will almost be equal at the location of the Earth and at 09:37 the Moon will be perpendicular to that line thus not able to modify this effect. The Earth's orbit will be changed by this alignment.

Nervous now or will you wait 3 weeks and then be nervous?

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Well, I know that nothing will probobly happen on that day, why are you talking about that?

It seems to me that 2012 is just going to be a different day than any other day.
sorry for posting sheesh

Actually, it'll be a year, but who's counting?

The thing is, there's no valid reason to assume it will be different. This is the point we're trying to establish. There is no cosmic significance to it.

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"Now everyone was giving her that kind of look UFOlogists get when they suddenly say, 'Hey, if you shade your eyes you can see it is just a flock of geese after all.'"

"You can't erase icing."

"I can't believe it doesn't work! I found it on the internet, man!"

ah ok

Ya know, there are actually some rather fascinating aspects to the Mayan time cycles and "ages of," paticularly the "long count" and how it relates to precessional astronomy.

If nothing else, is it not amazing the Maya nailed the equinox, calculating it so long ago?

Skywatchers in the jungles.

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No, considering how important such things were and how many other civilizations had devised similar calendars based on the same observable evidence.Bingo, bango, bungle I'm so happy in the jungle.

No, these were advanced civilizations that had their own systems of mores and such. The jungle (so to speak) was their habitat, much as the jungle (asphalt) has been the origin of many other systems.

Meanwhile, I wondered how long it would be before you showed up in this thread. I'm out $2.00.

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I disagree.

Well, after all, everyone loves a conspiracy!

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"Where the telescope ends, the microscope begins. Which of the two has the greater view?" - Hugo

"Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened." - Churchill

Actually you are right, nothing will happen on may 27 this year, not that I know of anyway. My senario above concerning May 27th is a complete and utter fiction. I am quite sure though, that if I started up a website that claimed exactly what I stated above, along with the warning that TPTB will say its hooey, that 'they' will state there is no such thing as galaxy MX1975 let alone some sort of alignment, that there would be people who would take the bait. With a little luck the cries of foul by such as the truly scientifically trained would be enough to propigate this doom senario to great heights, and those not trained in any related feild could spread the word.

No problem with you posting that what the doom and gloomers say makes you nervous.

We get such disaster messages constantly.
second hand smoke - is it really just as dangerous to health as active smoking?
power line EMF - are they really as bad to one's health as some say they are?
tomatoes - good for you or bad for you?
jogging - good for you or dangerous stress on your joints?
meteors - gonna kill us all any time soon?

The point is to gather info not just from sources that proclaim the doom but from others who pooh-pooh the idea, and balancing the credentials of each to make their statements, arrive at an informed decision.

Fact is that the producer of this particular 2012 doom senario has not actually even explained what is meant by this 'alignment' or just why it might cause problems to the Sun, here on Earth or any where in our solar system.
It is certainly my opinion that his senario is as valid as the one I just made up on the spot concerning May 27 this year.

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