Can someone please tell me what part, if any, of the following is true...

Part of the 2012 mystique stems from the stars. On the winter solstice in 2012, the sun will be aligned with the center of the Milky Way for the first time in about 26,000 years. This means that "whatever energy typically streams to Earth from the center of the Milky Way will indeed be disrupted on 12/21/12 at 11:11 p.m. Universal Time,"

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science...2_N.htm?csp=34

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It's been a week or two since someone asked about 2012.

Perhaps you could check out these previous discussions for answers to your questions. Let us know if you don't find it covered.

2012?
Earth's Magnetic Field & 2012 Plane of the ecliptic of the galaxy?
Galactic Tsunami?
So what will we see in 2012?
2012: What do you think well happen (if anything)
Horizon Project-New End of World Scare?
Pole shift idea origins
2003 no, 2012 si
2012
Pole shift / Planetary alignment 2012?
2012 alignment question
about the Mayan 2012 item
2012 Debunking?
Possible asteroid impact in 2012?
2012 asteroid?
We don't have to worry about 2012!
More on 2012 from India Daily
2012 Completion of conspiracy?
Here's what's REALLY going to happen in 2012...
crop circles, Planet X and 2012
Planet X, crop circles and 2012 cataclysma
According to the Mayans, what will happen on 23rd Dec. 2012?
More 2012 Nonsense
NEO 2012?
Dangerous NEO in 2012?
Christmas 2012
2012 mayan calender end of world
Regarding the supposed polar shift/new ice age in 2012
New 2012 threat?
2012 look at this thing on the sun
Russian Expert Predicts Global Cooling from 2012
Dec 20 2012
2012 Stuff
Date: December 21st 2012
Earth passing thru Galactic center in 2012 - didn't that already happen?
2012: What do you think well happen (if anything)

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What do they even mean my stating that "the sun and SrgA* will align"? That we can draw a straight line from one of two points to the other? If so, then the statement is probably true =)

It's a meaningless statement.

It appears USA Today is, in some ways, devolving into Weekly World News.

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If you take the time to read through all the links provided, you will see that the alignment (not a precise alignment anyway) already happened, in 1999; the Sun at solstice is now actually moving away from the general area of the galactic centre in Sagittarius.

So its a big nothing, really.

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To make it short:
NOTHING

To make it a little longer:
ABSOLUTELY NOTHING

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Well, almost nothing. According to USNO, the winter equinox will indeed be at that date and time (UTC).
But that's about it.

Fred

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Now THERE is something to worry about!

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I would say that there is nothing to worry about.. well until the next prophecized catastrophic year.

Can someone please tell me what part, if any, of the following is true...

"Part of". The rest is sheer twaddle.

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...will indeed be disrupted on 12/21/12 at 11:11 p.m. Universal Time,"

That's not even 11:11 PM UT. (UT is generally expressed in 24-hour format.) It's 11:11 AM.

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Well, he got the digits right, anyway. Half credit for that. But the rest is pure bartsibrel.

Fred

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Not even able to copy from others...

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Thanks folks,

Good to hear that the 'alignment' already happened -and that Earth survived.
I gotta admit that the look of the date and time for the winter equinox (12/21/12 11:11) is kind of cool given the prophecy and hokey stuff on the internet about 11:11. I hope we at least get a good sci-fi/fantasy movie out of this stuff before 2012.

A very good doco I saw recently made an observation. The Mayan calander does show the end of a major and very long cycle, but the woo woo people forget the important fact that the calander actually continues past this magical date. And in the words of an archeologist interviewed. It is very much business as usual

Jeez! even the Mayans edged their bets.....

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Erm, hedged.

And not really; you aren't hedging your bets by having an odometer that rolls over or a calendar that adds one to the thousands place.

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Ooooh, goodie. I see Ed Dames is going to be on with Art Bell tonight. This ought to be good -- Dames is getting on the 2012 gravitational wave/tsunami thing from the center of the galaxy bandwagon. Last time he was on, he tied this in with his "solar kill shot" thing he's been predicting for 15 years.

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PLEASE STOP THE 2012 PEOPLE!! They are the one thing that gets my goat (if you catch my drift) no time for them at all........

Well, there are always those who predict the end of the world linked in with some date / time / alignment or other such poppycock. You can be certain that once 2012 has passed there'll be another attempt to stir things up with another event or date. All they are trying to do is make money from vulnerable people by writing their books or selling their DVD's. Parasites.

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I've never completely understood what they mean by "alignment". I was always under the impression that 2 objects are always in alignment since you can draw a straight line from one to the other, unless there is a brick in the way, in which case you have to move the brick. There have also been a ton of doomsday predictions involving certain planetary alignments causing the solar system to fall off the table or something. The only significance I connect with 12/21/12 is that it represents 3 more shopping days until Christmas. On the other hand, 12/21/12 can be represented as 3/3/3, or simply 9 which is 1 more than 8 or 1 less than 10. Since 10+8=18, or 9x2 it would be interesting to note that 18 can be expressed 6/6/6 or 24/42/24, in which case you are going to have a "beast" of a time explaining your calendar.

To make a long story short, almost anything can be twisted into something it is not, although I would not discount the 3 shopping days until Christmas, especially if you have yet to get something for your wife. This could be catastrophic.

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I'm kinda curious about one thing. OK a few things. Technically, the Sun is always in allignment with galactic centre, because it orbits around it. Are they saying that the Sun, the Earth and the galactic centre will be in conjunction? And what does that have to do with the procession of the equinoxes (26,000 years)? Surely if there is a timescale for this, it would be the galactic year, which is ten thousand times longer?

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My thinking about alignment is that you need at least three objects, such as the sun, the Earth, and the galactic center. Since two points define a line, two objects are always "in alignment", and so it would be meaningless.

Of course, so at some moment the sun, the Earth and "the center" are in alignment, so what, I don't see how it has an effect on anything.

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Seeing as the Sun is always in alignment with the Center, since the center doesn't move, that would mean that the Earth, Sun and galactic center would be in alignment once a year, right?

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Twice a year, actually, if you assume that everything is on the same plane. Which I'd guess it's not. That presumably would make alignment a rare (and meaningless) event.

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I still don't see what this has to do with the equinoctal cycle. Maybe someone got the Great Year confused with the Galactic Year?

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There will have to be a considerable shift in the location of the ecliptic in the next five years for this to happen. Please check out the star map on this page.

The ecliptic is the Sun's path through the sky as seen from Earth. The galactic center is the 0^o marking on the galactic equator just to the east of Gamma-2 Sagittarii.

As you can see, the two locations are separated by more than 5 degrees of arc (~10+ lunar diameters). Based on shifts in stellar locations, the path of the Sun around the galactic center, and other factors, this relationship will be almost exactly the same five years from now.

BTW, precession of the Earth's axis is a non-factor since it doesn't affect the Earth's orbit and thus the apparent path of the Sun through the sky.

Thus on the Winter Solstice in 2012, the Sun will have just crossed the galactic equator (as it does every year at that time), but it will not be aligned with the galactic center.

A general note: it can be very misleading to expect good science in conspiracy theories.

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