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Old 29-April-2007, 09:03 AM
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Gillian - I've always wondered why "ain't" is considered improper. Other contractions are allowed, like "isn't" for "is not" and "aren't" for "are not".

Why not "ain't" for "am not"?

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Wish I could. It's true that it's a great failing in our language that we're missing a first person singular contraction for "to be not" in the present tense, given that we have contractions for those words in pretty much all other tenses/persons. However, them's the rules, I guess.

However, a lot of grammarians consider the restrictions against "ain't" to be unnecessarily fussy, and I, for one, only correct it in formal writing, even when I'm copy editing for people. I allow idioms to stand, such as in the last sentence of the previous paragraph.
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Gillian - I've always wondered why "ain't" is considered improper. Other contractions are allowed, like "isn't" for "is not" and "aren't" for "are not".

Why not "ain't" for "am not"?

Enlighten me.
Well, technically, "ain't" isn't a contraction of anything. "Ai not" is not an English expression, and "amn't" hasn't caught on for obvious reasons.

Of course, the real reasons go much deeper and have more to do with culture than anything rational. Interestingly, back in the 1920's, "ain't" was accepted as a contraction for "am not", at least in Britain. But in the real world it was used mostly by the lower classes and was not restricted to "I ain't". Instead, it became a generic contraction for any form of the verb "to be" -- e.g. "he ain't", "they ain't", etc.

Apparently that usage was just too lazy and lax for the English gods, so "ain't" became anathema even when used in its originally intended application.

Edit: ya beat me, Gillian! Your post was on page 4 here and I missed it. Ain't that a kick?
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I just don't understand why it's "it's I" and not "it's me," but then I was never very patient with grammar.

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I just don't understand why it's "it's I" and not "it's me," but then I was never very patient with grammar.
Do you really want me to explain?
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I just don't understand why it's "it's I" and not "it's me," but then I was never very patient with grammar.

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It's a byproduct of big city life, something to do with the Rapid Intransitive System which is linking all parts of the metropolis. But lost you shouldn't get. You can't sense the indicatives without a helping map.

As for me, if I were a grammarian, I would find all rules of English to be completely subjunctive.

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BTW, concerning subjunctivity, did you hear about the English professor who had a torrid love affair with a Physics professor? This particular prof sported a large, white beard and was notorious for presenting his lectures without the use of verbs.

The poor gal fell for the noun clause of desire.
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Strangely enough (?), yes, but you can do so via PM, so we don't clutter this thread up any more (I'll explain why I'd like to know, then).

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