Mr. Ferro - I was trying to be ironically funny...

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"I have this theory that the Apollo missions were faked when NASA found out that general relativity was wrong because the Earth was expanding due to the Sun's iron core being influenced by magnetic waves from the electric universe after being perturbed by Planet X and thereby causing global warming. Where should I start a thread about this?" ~ ToSeek

"Those are the people that wonder how a thermos knows whether to keep something hot or keep something cold." ~ NeoWatcher

You're all wrong, yet you refuse to admit it.
I have a book by David Niven that quite clearly states "The Moon's A Balloon"

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Ahhh, now I remember it was the kgb dwarf !!!! http://www.astronautix.com/astros/kgbdwarf.htm

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"To confine our attention to terrestrial matters would be to limit the human spirit."
Stephen Hawking

"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."
Albert Einstein

If that's true, it's still not "strange," though.

CJSF

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Two years ago moved from my town
I was looking up past the city lights
But the city lights got in my way

See the constellation ride across the sky
No cigar, no lady on his arm
Just a guy made of dots and lines

-from "See The Constellation"
by They Might Be Giants

The KGB midget claim is exactly the inverse of the Apollo conspiracy theories.

Apollo conspiracists say it was impossible to send men to the Moon, so the samples had to have been returned by automation. But the Lunokhod conspiracists say it was impossible to operate an automatic rover on the Moon, so a man had to be sent instead. Hilarous: conspiracists are consistently opposite in their wildly inaccurate beliefs of what's possible and impossible, and in their unwillingness to believe the official story.

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"Facts are stubborn things." --John Adams
Clavius Moon Base

I used to be quite active with their mailing list and other activties, and my opinion is that their "case" (theory?) best fits the facts as I've read them. Of course they could be wrong, but at least they are attempting a scientific approach to finding evidence to support their theory. As far as I can tell, no one at TIGHAR is offering any "proof" of their theory.. they're still collecting evidence.

But this getting off-topic.

CJSF

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Two years ago moved from my town
I was looking up past the city lights
But the city lights got in my way

See the constellation ride across the sky
No cigar, no lady on his arm
Just a guy made of dots and lines

-from "See The Constellation"
by They Might Be Giants

You're all wrong. The Duchy of Grand Fenwich was the first on the Moon. I saw the movie in 1963 and read the book that same year. Well, at least the science is slightly better than most of the moon hoaxers.

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Some try to tell me, thoughts they cannot defend,... - Moody Blues.

I thought the first guy on the Moon was some Chinese dude in a rocket chair.

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"Facts are stubborn things." --John Adams
Clavius Moon Base

Nah, Mythbusters busted that one.

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Some try to tell me, thoughts they cannot defend,... - Moody Blues.

Ah, so not only do the Soviets win the race to the Moon, they stage the death of the national hero they actually sent there before he went so that there was no way at all that they could publicise their success, despite the relish with which they had trumpeted their previous successes over the Capitalist Americans, if he returned? Do you see how little sense that makes?

It may well not be a coincidence. In fact, it could be just the sort of convenient event that someone wishing to fabricate a story about a woman going to the Moon and going mad as a result could use in spinning his yarn.

Why do you think full Moon is the ideal time to work there?

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"The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common: They don't alter their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit their views." The Doctor, Doctor Who: The Face of Evil.

Were you born then and did you see it?

Give us a source or retract the claim.

Give us a source or retract the claim.

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"The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common: They don't alter their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit their views." The Doctor, Doctor Who: The Face of Evil.

No, not really--the more so if, again, you read the summary in the book I mentioned, which describes the situation better than I could paraphrase it right now.

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Gillian

"Now everyone was giving her that kind of look UFOlogists get when they suddenly say, 'Hey, if you shade your eyes you can see it is just a flock of geese after all.'"

"You can't erase icing."

"I can't believe it doesn't work! I found it on the internet, man!"

Even if they had a program, that doesn't mean they carried it through or succeeded in it. It could have just be theoretical discussion.

That's why we would like the source, to see it's wording and context.

How in the [expletive] can an observatory hear voices from a satellite in a vacuum from a distance away? And if it were signals, don't you think that an unmanned probe just might have some radio relay system?

Yes; give us a source, we want explainations.

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Numbers are not case sensitive. (me)

Jodrell Bank is a radio observatory.

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"The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common: They don't alter their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit their views." The Doctor, Doctor Who: The Face of Evil.

Yes, I was refering to the "voices"; thus the rest of my statement.

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It's like the boardgame "Balderdash!"


In 1882, former CIA Agent David Townsend came forward with documents proving that the moon landing was real, but that the evidence of a hoax was also plated to take attention away from NASA's next project: a LEO troop-deployment platform with anti-ICBM capabilites. This evidence was published in the July issue of TIME magazine, but unfortunately archival records have been destroyed in an unreported fire. Mr. Townsend was soon killed in a freak traffic accidnet involving the Oscar Meyer Weinermobile, and the location of the smoking-gun documents died along with him.


There. Ironclad evidence that we landed on the moon. It's gotta be true because we have an actualy witness who cannot be located or questioned, therefore cannot be proven wrong.

Because that's the only half he knows, most likely. Or because, obviously the other half is part of "the conspiracy". As all great thinkers know, "Mr. Windley" (i love how HB'ers insist on calling you by name, as if it makes thier points more valid), to prove something all one must do is pick and chose parts of reality and arrange them to fit one's idea of reality. Anything else can be ignored. I would have thought that you've been arround long enough to know this, "Mr. Windley" ::chuckles::

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I'm like one of those idiot savants...well, except for the savant part.

"A long time ago, yet somehow in the future"

My friends I've recalled their names.
The agents Charles Vick and Peter Pesavento, who analysed and connected all the puzzle’s pieces of information that were released by the Soviets, revealed that indeed existed an enormous secret Soviet program of lunar landings, the details of which were revealed after the fall of communism.

Greetings to all the BAW

O.K., I will be happy to admit that Vick and Pesavento appear to be resonable sources.

So what? All they said is that the USSR tried to beat the USA to the Moon, despite what the USSR later claimed (i.e. that they never seriously tried). Thta's fairly common knowledge now a days. What Vick and Pesacento do not say is that the Soviets MADE IT to the Moon

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Offical Battlestar Galactica Apologist

Named Time Magazine's 2006 "Person of the Year"