It seems I have found a new conspiracy theory to add to the Apollo Moon Hoax section.

An IRC buddy of mine seems to think that the landing was faked, for many of the reasons that have already been debunked of course, but this one really made me perk up.

He claims a (manned) Soviet orbiter crash-landed on the Moon, the cosmonaut inside survived and lived for two hours before expiring.

Now, I know this is extremely; extremely unlikely considering Russia was never able to make the manned Moon landing work. I am just curious if anyone has heard of this conspiracy theory, and if so, do you have any links that point to a confirmation that this is a real (and kooky) conspiracy theory?

Right now I think he is just reciting what he’s heard from a teacher and nothing more. Apparently this is from a Russian book on the Cold War that states the above, and also when Apollo 11 landed they (astronauts) placed a Soviet flag first to honor the fallen Cosmonaut.






* I did ask for the name of the book , who the cosmonaut was, or any other information that could be useful. He claims to not remember. =|

This was actually part of the plot for the late 1960's movie Countdown.

Yes, in a failed attempt to reach the Moon before the U.S, the Russians launched their ill-fated N-1 super rocket with one cosmonaut aboard. In keeping with tradition, it blew up shortly after launch. Ironically, such was the force of the explosion, the manned capsule was propelled all the way to the moon and avoided obliteration by sliding down the ancient glass buttresses discovered by Angst Award winning Hyperscientist Richard Hoaxland.
http://www.enterprisemission.com/mphotos.html
The cosmonaut ultimately died from radiation poisoning received from the Van Halen belts and burns on his rear end from the rocket explosion. His name was Blumi Arzov.

Further details can be found in my forthcoming book "Everything You Know Is Wrong And None Of Your Evidence Counts Because I Saw Something On YouTube About It And It's SOoooo Fake"

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Speaking of soviets on the moon, I remember hearing about one conspiracy that said that the russians sent "midgets" to control some of the rovers and landers they sent to the moon, the didn't tell anyone because, they obviously were not able to return home to earth.
Anyone hear about that one, or am I the only one?

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That is the most rediculous theory i have heard. Ever.

How could someone come up with something like that, short of being higher than Keith Richards?

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You have forgotten the Mohilin case which is incorporated in Don Wilson's book If you know spanish you can find it also in the following link:
www.angelfire.com/ms2/ipri/art28moongate.htm
Lev Mohilin was a soviet scientist who was member of the secret Soviet program for the conquest of the moon .And very probably the Soviets stepped on the moon one year earlier than the Americans.
Mohilin escaped with his son from Russia and through Turkey he finally arrived in France.After having secured protection against KGB agents , he gave an interview in a French magazine
According to that fascinating story on 5 June 1968 , a Russian rocket launched from a secret air base in Ural.It was carring the manned probe Zond or Soyuz.The two astronauts with code names Ilya(woman) and Yevgeni(man) were attacked by a mechanical creature which killed Yevgeni.The woman managed to embark and leave from the moon.When she came back to earth, she remained guarded for 1 year in a hospital. Some researchers claim that these two astronauts were Yuri Gagarin and Valentina Tereskhova.

Mechanical creature.

Cool.

Was it a Transformer?

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Hey, I didn't come up with it it was one of my CT friends!

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Someone has gotten into the good stuff and/or needs to be stopped from reading science fiction without someone regularly reminding them that it isn't real.

That story has so many problems with it that its not even worth going through them all.

You have forgotten the Mohilin case which is incorporated in Don Wilson's book...

Along with Wilson's other works of fiction.

Lev Mohilin was a soviet scientist who was member of the secret Soviet program for the conquest of the moon .

You mean the other secret Soviet moon landing program?

And very probably the Soviets stepped on the moon one year earlier than the Americans.

And despite the alleged ferocity of the race, never told anyone.

Some researchers claim that these two astronauts were Yuri Gagarin and Valentina Tereskhova.

That would have been quite a feat considering Gagarin had been dead for a number of months when these events were said to have occurred.

Great stuff, that vodka.

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You have forgotten the Mohilin case which is incorporated in Don Wilson's book If you know spanish you can find it also in the following link:
www.angelfire.com/ms2/ipri/art28moongate.htm


That webpage also includes the basic schoolbiy conspiracy garbage like no stars, a waving flag, Armstrong not giving interviews and the faked exchange between Armstrong and Houston about seeing aliens on the Moon. It even asks, several times, where the mountains are in the Apollo 11 photos. That's right, the one that landed in a flat region of the Moon....

Given that, you'll forgive me if I don't put any stock in anything mentioned or linked on that page.

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So, in the middle of the Cold War, no one in the US noticed a Russian rocket launching and going to the moon? Not possible.

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Precisely. One of the (many, many) reasons we know Apollo went to the moon is that it was tracked there and back by many countries. Any mission by the Soviets would've been tracked in exactly the same way, it would be impossible to cover up.

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Well, US intelligence did miss the first N-1 test launch. If you read books published before the fall of the USSR you often find reference to the first N-1 launch being the one that resulted in the destruction of the launch pad. That was actually the second. They also only refer to three launches, when there were four.

Agreed, the longer it stays up the more likely it is to be spotted.

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That would have been quite a feat considering Gagarin had been dead for a number of months when these events were said to have occurred.

Great stuff, that vodka.

So mr Windley , as I see you know very well the story of Molihin's case, he?
Do you know also that Gagarin died in a "strange" accident on 27 March 1968? That his body was never identified by his family?
That Tereskhova , according to her official biography , remained in hospital , recovering grom a "surgery" for almost a year? That Ilya remained guarded -according to Mohilin claim- one year in the sanatorium and Tereskhova remained one year in the hospital? What an evil coinsidence And something else mr Jay.Do you know what day was the 8-9th of June 1968?
The moon was of 13 days, almost full moon.Ideal time to work on the moon!!!
Great stuff, that vodka.Indeed.
P.S. I know that truth is painfull

OK! the truth will always come out I suppose so here go's, Yes the Russians did crash land on the moon as stated.

The cosmonaut survived the crash but fell foul of a fridge type thingy wielding a cosh/b