I am posting here although it is not a conspiracy issue but does involve astronomy mixed with the "psychic" factor. And believe me this is not easy for me to post as many will probably think I'm just as crazy to consider the claims I'm about to present. (But let's remember how Nancy Lieder got a lot of "press", so I guess I can at least see if there's anything to this.)
For a few years now I have followed the claims of a certain Alan Harmony (whose real name I suspect is Alan Patterson). He writes books about dream interpretation and such and heads this organization in Vancouver, BC, Canada http://pacificway.org/v3/index.php and also has his own website http://www.greatdreams.com/harmony.htm.
Some will note that upon even a cursory view of these websites indicates we are in woo-woo land, but anyway I still appeal to your good natures!... I have exchanged emails with this fellow and with Dr. Brian Marsden at MPC since I found out that he had appealed his claims to the good doctor. Dr. Marsden had very graciously answered me that he could not confirm what Mr. Harmony was claiming given the info he had at the time, however today I managed to procure coordinates for a certain as yet undiscovered asteroid that will be (alledgedly) colliding with Earth in around 20 years. Now I know what many may be thinking-what proof does he have? In actuality, none to speak of. However HE is convinced and is trying to get on C2C (that was MY advice to him since then MAYBE a few serious scientists may hear him, and check out his claims would be my hope).
So here are the "facts" as given to me by this individual. (Remember this is probably nonexistent, but I hope someone with some astronomical smarts will be willing to see if they can do some scoping-even if they find nothing,you know, "just in case..."):
1) 1.4 k object, not on the ecliptic but a "deep space" object
2) May be travelling with a comet (I find this the most ludicrous notion)
3) Is approx 20 years away (which makes it 2029, but is not Apophis he informed
me)
4) Will be found or emerge (I am not clear on this) near the end of the Big Dipper
near the star Alcaid
5) 20-25 magnitude equipment needed
6) RA 13.37.35.9355
DEC 49.22.31.819
(These coords are a little more detailed than the ones Dr Marsden told me he was supplied, but in any event those were not exact and nothing unusual was reported-this was in 2003. These are more detailed).
So, my good friends here I ask: Do we have another "false internet prophet"? I don't know how feasible it would be for anyone to check this out-getting the coords was like pulling teeth from this guy!
Comments, criticisms, skepticisms, pm's are all welcome. I would hope this turns out to be the crock I hope it is, and I hope someone feels it's least worth checking out. Thanks to all.

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No idea bout checking it out myself but the NEO program at the jpl certainly doesn't risk anything above 0 on the torino scale (checked at the time of writing, obviously subject to change but it hasn't gone over 1 that I've noticed recently) so I'd say we're in the clear for the time being since they have objects with a "year range" in the next century.

A small object on a comet-type trajectory is likely to be undetectable until it gets very close. Could we have detected the Tunguska object even with current technology?

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But that's why I posted; The whole story is so odd. The object hasn't been discovered yet, but the person claims it's there, thus the coordinates provided -(they could be meaningless, but I'm hoping someone has access to a telescope).

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sorry, I only skim-read the post, and I haven't actually read the website (I've had some bad experiences so I'm cautious about links in the CT/ATM forum) I had other stuff on my mind at the time but if the impact is only 20 years away then I would start wondering why the jpl wouldn't have spotted it, that is the purpose of the NEO program after all so they are speifically looking for that kind of thing. I assume 1.4k is the diameter (1.4 kilometres?) and that is both larger and probably nearer than other objects that have been categorised, I can't help you in looking for it though, I just don't have that kind of equipment but beyond saying you can colour me skeptical about this I don't think I can help much further.

Giving a few sections of that site a quick scan through (all that I could stomach) I would put him throughly off in the Woo-Woo section of cloud cuckoo land and suffering from a serious clue deficiency. From my (quite possibly incorrect) interpretation of what he has written on his site he got the idea of the asteroid from a combination of dream interpretation and studying scripture, which by my estimation puts the odds of it being correct as extremely low at best. Also he shows a general lack of understanding of nuclear weapons and paranoia about their effects thinking that trying the deflect an asteroid with nukes would somehow cause a global effect similar to the Chenobly disaster.

Grashtel, your comments have confirmed my suspicions-Thanks for the skeptical outlook.

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6) RA 13.37.35.9355
DEC 49.22.31.819
(These coords are a little more detailed than the ones Dr Marsden told me he was supplied, but in any event those were not exact and nothing unusual was reported-this was in 2003. These are more detailed).

These coordinates are useless without a time & date. Both the Earth and the object are moving in curved orbits around the Sun. Even on a collision course, we would see the object moving against the background stars (i.e. the coordinates would be constantly changing), especially if there are years until impact.

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Thanks for that information CountZero. I will admit to an extreme lack of knowledge in astronomy and how NEO's are discovered (But I learn something new every day!). So having coordinates aren't useful UNTIL the object is sited? I mean you just can't point a scope up there at those coordinates and say "Oh, I see something" there.? Someone please let me know if I'm understanding this correctly, thanks. (Of course, if this is true, then our "prophet" really has no proof whatsoever of any NEO!)

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The reason that the coordinates are useless on their own is that all other bodies (planets, asteroids, ect) are moving relative to us so in order to find something you not only need to know where to look but when to look there otherwise it will be something else.

Thanks, I had no date and time; the only other numbers state "vernal equinox 2000.000000. I have no clue what that means...

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I'd guess the vernal equinox (March 20th I think) of the year 2000, though why the heck he included the six extra zeros on the end is beyond me.

Also just a single set of coordinates and time is of very little use, in order to predict the motion of an object in order to locate it you need at least two observations of it.

Thanks Grashtel. I don't think an object was ever sited-he stated that those are the coordinates where something WOULD be found, but with the information others gave here it sounds like his knowledge of how astronomy works is even worse than mine-(though at least I'm not the one making the unfounded claims!).

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Probably means that the coordinates are based on epoch 2000, where the zero point is based on where the VE was in 2000. It shifts due to precession.

Fred

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Does anyone keep tabs on how close asteroids get to each other?

Here is a possibility. Two asteroids we know about pass near Earth. Zero risk.
Astronomers only focus on how close they get to us.

They bump each other in the gloom. One asteroid 'vanishes' due to its orbit being perturbed--and we never see it again or rediscover it as another object and give it another name.

The asteroid it bumped returns to Earth, is listed as a Zero threat...and promptly blows a hole thru a continent.

I hope they keep track of how close they get together! Interestingly deflecting one asteroid using another (this would be a controlled maneuver) is described in this article-Don't ask me how it would work in reality...
http://www.centauri-dreams.org/?p=776

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It might be a way to deflect very large, extrasolar objects given enough time.

Let's say an extrasolar planet comes our way in the future, and it passes close to Ceres, its course adjusted to hit Earth.

We hit a small asteroid that happens to pass close to a very large asteroid that will pass near Ceres. The small rock hits the big rock, the big rock hits the gigantic rock, and it--Ceres--hits the rogue planet.

Or something like that.

They collide all the time. Usually the relative velocities are fairly low, and tidal effects from Jupiter (at least in the belt between Mars and old Jove) keep them from aggregating.

It would take quite a bump to change it's velocity vector enough to pass through Earth's orbit. I can see that happening with tiny ones, or fragments created due to an impact, but not the larger ones.

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I would expect collisions happen VERY rarely, given the vast distances between them.

CJSF

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We hit a small asteroid that happens to pass close to a very large asteroid that will pass near Ceres. The small rock hits the big rock, the big rock hits the gigantic rock, and it--Ceres--hits the rogue planet.

Sure, but you have to call corner pocket first.

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