So I did, indeed, try the search function to see if conspiracy-based "Apollo 20" mission and associated footage has been discussed. All I got was an "apollo" and "20" are too common for which to effectively find results. Please resurrect any threads if need be.

Anyway, I was at YouTube and I stumbled across some videos (numbered for convenient referencing.) The first one was:

1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usfiV5fYllQ

My first thought was What a joke! Then the next video I saw was:

2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rc7mkHtuLOs

Seemed interesting that at the start of the video [for just a split second] we read it is Apollo 11 (in the same style as the "damning" top-secret disclaimer that Sibrel has used.)

And the next video I saw was this one:

3) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_He2EGu7pKk

Which in itself, is easily debunked with this video:
4) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_F4-eNi6RwA

It appears that for the "interior" shots of the CSM, the powers-that-be pasted parts of the still shots onto a 3-D structure (and added additional props) to give the appearance of depth.

But what I'm trying to figure out is video 2). The primary-colored motion blurs (not noticeable until after 3 minutes into the video) caused by an RGB color wheel (reminiscent of the videos from the Apollo missions) is apparent [see http://home.utah.edu/~mjm23/images/RGB.jpg for a still shot from video 2).]

Do I believe the video is faked? Yes. Do I know how the RGB-color-wheel motion blur was faked? No.

Are there any video experts here who wish to speculate (or replicate) said effect?

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Effects like that were pretty popular in the demoscene maybe 10 years back.
Never implemented it myself, but I'm pretty sure the basic idea is to separate the color channels, shift them, and composite them back onto the original.

While there hasn't been any discussion of those videos here there has been quite a bit over on the ApolloHoax.net forums (contrary to the impression its name might give you its a skeptic board much like this one with a large overlap in posters)

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oh god, that looks sooo faked it's hilarious. It's obviously someone moving a handheld camera over a small object.

Plus they're talking about flying over craters that are on the farside of the moon (Fermi, Tsiolkovsky, Delporte all in the first minute) in the second video. (or apparently talking... all I hear is *chhhhrrr. beep!* and that miraculously gets translated into the words in the subtitles). The problem being that if you're over the farside of the moon, you can't possibly be in radio contact with earth. Yet "Vandenberg" was replying to them).

Plus of course Apollo 18, 19, and 20 never flew. You'd think someone would have noticed three huge Saturn Vs taking off... (in fact those three were planned but never launched - the rockets are what's lying outside the various space centres in the US).

Funny stuff

Two of those Saturn V's are among the three remaining. One of
them launched Skylab. The third Saturn V on display was the one
built to fit-test the VAB, mobile launcher, and other support facilities.
I don't know which is where. The only one I saw was at Huntsville
Space and Rocket Center, and it appeared to be something of a
hodgepodge of real sections and mockups. I saw it back in 1993, so
my memory is fuzzy. It may have been just or mostly the Apollo
C&SM that were mockups. The three Saturn stages and instrument
unit may all have been real flight items. The other two Saturn V's
are at KSC and JSC.

-- Jeff, in Minneapolis

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Any $100 and up video editing package these days can do it.

Huh...

Is this just finally getting here? I was actually one of the first people to see this person's videos and comment on them. (This was months ago.)

It would make interesting science fiction, I think. I just hope this person isn't really trying to peddle these videos as something genuine, although it seems this way.

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The guy who posted video #1 also made this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HptB3u54Kdc

Clicking the available links show that it is a collage of a lot of photographs, you can easily see that by the + thingies, they're all over the place. Also, the original photographs of Apollo 17 start at ID #20000, and this one is in #2000. That's one zero less.

EDIT: Man, he also has some seriously sick Favorites. Don't even look at the screenshots if you're easily offended. Apparently this guy believes Apollo 20 happened or something.

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Here's an interview with the supposed creator of the video.

I really love stuff like this.
I'm sure it's all fake , but you've got to hand it to some of these WooWoo's , they are some very creative people at times , If you use your imagination , you are put into a situation where Apollo was not cancelled and the most startling discoveries in all of history are explored , I'd rather a decent movie be made as opposed to somebody claiming it to be real , but still in a world that has lost interest in Moon exploration , it's a neat thought.

Don't get me wrong, it'd be utterly fantastic if we did find alien artifacts on the moon. It'd be stupendous stuff. But sadly, we haven't, and this sure isn't it.

Worst interview ever!

For a former Astronaut he sure dosen't pay much attention to detail , I could have asked better questions and a grade schooler with an imagination could have come up with better answers than the vague descriptions our Rwandan friend has given. (IMO)

I find it decidedly convienient that he names the Capcom's as being Pete Conrad and Jim Irwin , both one of the few Apollo veterans not living today , he throws around names like Von Braun and Leonov (on the crew even!)

This seems almost half-baked , a bit more effort would have made it a better story , there are woowoo's out there that could have done a better job on this one (Like the Serpo masterminds) , I like the Vandenberg connection , that was a nice touch , but I liked the Russan Mars landing hoax better , when he started talking about EBE'S and the likes, I tuned out , If you are going to make a hoax , GO ALL OUT , why not make it entertaining?

I gotta say , I've seen better fakes before , they should have taken more time preparing this Whopper!

Not to give it any credence at all, but I did find a really good map of the farside.

http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/ma...s17indexmap06/

Look at 130E, 20S and you'll see Tsiolkovsky (the crater on the farside with a mare in it). To its west, near 120E, 20S are Delporte, Fermi and Lutke.

http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/ is also a good index of all the photos from the Apollos.

Look at this Apollo 17 mapping camera photo:

http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/ap...e/?AS17-M-2170

located from the map at:
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/ma...p04/150dpi.jpg

There are two round craters at top centre of the image. The lower one is Lutke, the top one is Delporte. Tsiolkovsky is in the bottom left corner (we're looking NW).

Now look at 01:07 on the second video ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rc7mkHtuLOs ) and compare that with the hires image above. For the first three minutes or so, we're basically panning over the top half of that photo from right to left. Then the "telephoto lens" goes on, everything whites out and suddenly we're seeing the "ship" up clsoe with no sense of context. You can't see the "ship" in the "wideangle" views from the previous 3 mins at all.

Funny that the lighting angles are exactly the same, isn't it?

Plus, the location given for the base of the "ship" is 17.20S 117.62 E. The cockpit is at 17.25S 117.62 E (from around 4:30 of the second video). So it's oriented North-South, and it should be located bang on the southern rim of Lutke (on the left in the photos). So where is it?

That said.... I did actually find it . I think the coordinates quoted on the video are wrong. Either that or the hand-drawn photography maps are a bit off (which wouldn't surprise me). The correct coordinates on those maps would be about 18.7S 117.5E.

Look at this sequence from A15:
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/ap...ution/?AS15R38

http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/ap...e/?AS15-M-1579
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/ap...e/?AS15-M-1580
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/ap...e/?AS15-M-1581
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/ap...e/?AS15-M-1582

See the two overlapping craters there (at the top of 1579)? Look immediately to the right of them in the hires image. There's a small dip with something that does look like the "ship" in it - something that looks kinda like a pencil tip with a pointy end. You can see it on all the images in that sequence where the craters are in view. And it's there in other A15 sequences too (e.g. http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/ap...ution/?AS15R33 - 1037 to1040)

So I'll admit that it looks like there's something there. Judging from the lighting angle I'd say that it does look like a tubular object resting in a dip with a pointy bit on the right (which would be pointing to the north). But the images aren't exactly 100% unambiguous and I could certainly be misinterpreting it.

But it's rather a huge leap to say it's a spaceship. And certainly an even bigger one to suggest that Apollo 20 went up there. I suspect the guy just found this odd feature in the photos and built a story around it.

Huh. It's in the A17 panoramic shots too:

http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/ap...e/?AS17-P-2806

The overlapping craters are on the left side of the shot (the view is somewhat oblique). Just to the right of them is the dent with the "ship" in it.

There's an intriguing looking feature there alright... but that doesn't lend any credence to the rest of the story at all.

I find it funny that the guy who put these videos on YouTube is a "director." As a "director," you'd figure that he uploads videos that he, himself, has directed/produced. Guess what? The only videos he has put on YouTube deal with "Apollo 20" (see http://www.youtube.com/profile_video...retiredafb&p=r)

Being a "director," we can conclude that:

Either this guy is the jokester who went through the effort of faking the whole production.

OR

This guy is a real conspiracy nut who [thinks he] "discovered classified NASA footage" [that some other jokester has faked] that he has assembled/edited for mass consumption on YouTube.

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I've been following this and and been trying to figure out what the hoaxers game is for a while. What is interesting is that for a period he posted three additional pieces of footage that he's now removed from You-Tube.

The first was a shot of some 'Alien' writing.

The second and more interesting piece was a shot of an Apollo encased in a gantry, what was interesting was that it shared a light leak on the right hand side of the footage that is common to the start of the footage allegedly taken inside the CSM. The final piece of footage is a crew entry exercise that has been carefully cut to hide the faces of the astronauts, which would give the game away.

What's been even more amusing is watching the conspiracy theorists consistently overestimate the resources available to the hoaxer, some of them seem to think that he has a film studio and amateur actors available, however nothing I've seen so far leads me to believe that he has anything other then good editing software.

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This thing is really bugging me.

Never mind the conspiracy stuff... has anyone looked at those original Apollo images and got any idea what the feature they're calling a "ship" might actually be?

Weren't the ApolloHoax forums orignally founded by a Hoax beliver who later came around to reality? Or am I thinking of anothe hoax related site?

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