Dear friends, I was watching very intersting documentary available for viewing on the Google video

Conspiracy Theory - Did we landed on the moon by Fox TV
link is
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...35117048624484


The documentary is very interesting, howevery, I'm confused because this is first time I hear such claim. But the claim is supported with very good and convincing proofs, made by people of education and science.

What do you think, my american friends, is it possible that Apollo and man have never been on the moon, and its just a lie?

The claim is not supported by good evidence or proof. The claims are not being made by people "of education and science." They are being made by people who want to sell books and videos to gullible people. They portray themselves as knowledgeable people, but quickly shy away from any meaningful examination by true experts.

It's possible that Apollo didn't actually go to the moon, in the same way that it's possible the English royal family are shape-shifting lizards instead of human beings. Which is to say, anything is merely possible. But in this case, the evidence clearly shows that the Apollo missions were indeed authentic.

Please visit my site at the link in my signature to see the answers to many of the questions raised in the program you saw. If you have any other questions that aren't answered there, ask them here.

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Annyong Haseyo astroetic! Please read this website. It will answer most of your questions.

Astroetic

Welcome to the BAUT Forum.

May I recommend this link: http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html

It was written based on the program you watched.

Yes, welcome to the board, astroetic. Please take a look at the links provided which address the Fox "Moon Hoax" program, and then let us know what specific items about which you still have questions.

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Unfortunately the 'proofs' are not convincing to anyone versed in the right science. I am a biochemist, a man of science. You would not come to me for proof of anything to do with geology. It's the wrong science. My wife is an astrophysicist, a person of science. You would not, however, accept her judgement on a medical diagnosis, because it is not the science in which she is an expert.

Quite simply, the 'experts' in that show are totally ignorant about the real science of image analysis, lighting, thermal transfer and so on, all of which they profess a knowledge in. Non-parallel shadows, for example, are commonplace absolutely everywhere. They are the result of terrain, perspective and the type of lens used to take pictures.

I think I'd like you to broaden your horizons just a bit and recognise that, this being a worldwide web forum, there are more than just Americans here. I happen to be from the UK.

Is it possible? Yes. Is it likely? Not even remotely. The evidence for authenticity is vast, and the people who provide that evidence are happy to discuss it. The people who provide their evidence of fraud, however, go suspiciously quiet, change the subject and turn abusive if you try to question them in detail about their proof.

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"The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common: They don't alter their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit their views." The Doctor, Doctor Who: The Face of Evil.

I would submit that the evidence supporting Apollo as understood is so comprehensive, so overwhelming, so interdependent; and that a conspiracy that could fake the volume of data so completely, involve so many people (250,000 people at the time of Apollo); and yet somehow be detectable by only a select few un- (or self-)educated "freethinkers", but not genuine experts in the field, experts that can be found all over the world, experts that in some cases would have absolutely every motivation to blow the whistle?

... This from a society that can't even keep their sex lives secret?

... Considering that a very widespread trait of born-to-be engineering-types is to have a very low tolerance for "shoot-and-salute" type situations? An obey-or-else policy is a great way to motivate an engineer-type to create something Van Neuman-y to spoke you just to see how far he can catapult you over the handlebars of whatever plot you're on he happens to dislike. ... Er, so to speak.

No. I would submit such a thing is quite impossible given the body of direct and 3rd party evidence available for review. Heck, the backyard radio telescopes alone were sufficient-to-prove.

Apollo happened as presented.

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Unrelated to his question, but how is it that astroetic shows 0 posts?

Yes, it's all just one big lie.

All those astronauts were liars.

All the folks who worked in Mission Control were liars.

All NASA personnel, Congressmen, newspaper/radio/TV reporters around the globe, scientists (especially the ones who examined moon rocks), engineers, etc., etc. are all a bunch of liars.

Not just once, mind you -- but during the entire Apollo era and for every lunar landing.

Try and get that many people (around the globe) willingly complicit -- more than once and for YEARS -- on a technologically/scientifically based lie.

Impossible.

They built and fueled all those Saturn V's just to blast astronauts into Earth orbit for approximately a week until splashdown, and no one was the wiser while they were (supposedly) in Earth orbit?

Get real. Of course mankind landed on the moon. Use reverse logic, like I just did.

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You've just stumbled onto... (ominous music swells) ... the real conspiracy.

...Considering you can easily see satellites, orbiters, and the ISS from your backyard, unaided, needing only to look up at the right time.

So what happens if you see the launch, then watch the CSM go by in orbit that evening on a very predictable orbit over the first day before TLI, then it not go by for the rest of the trip, then watch the landing ten days later.

If the CSM was in orbit for those ten days, where did it go? (Simplest answer: the moon.)

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Yes! Especially the bolded part of your post.

This forum was programmed in C++

C++? Naw; that might allow the unwashed masses to read it. It's in Whitespace.

Ha! Hehehe.

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And us non-programmer types are sitting here going "haha..heh...uh....huh?"

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I was just sitting here contemplating the immortal words of Socrates who said, "I drank what?"

"Think of the rivers of blood spilled by all those generals and emperors so that, in glory and triumph, they could become the momentary masters of a fraction of a dot." --Carl Sagan "Pale Blue Dot"

Don't feel bad... I've got a math and computer degree with nearly 23 years of a career in programming and analysis. I still needed to click to find out what they were talking about.

Pretty funny.

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I presume it is a reference to the use of zero-based indexing.

By the way, I thought the system was coded in C-INTERCAL.

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If there is an Anti-Christ of Programming, he wrote in C-INTERCAL.

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INTERCAL's so yesterday, man. Whitespace all the way.

(Seriously: Yes, I'm sure it was a reference to C++ [and C] counting list entries from zero. Technically, though, it's not an index but an ordinal.

Oh, and if you want a real write-only language, try APL. First language I learned, too - at I. P. Sharp, no less, where the language's inventor worked for a while. Not where he invente