What do you guys think of the Apollo Reality website showing the how they could have hoaxed Apollo at Langley? The plaster model of the moon and the moon simulations. The camera tracks running around the plaster moon models. Doesn't this show that they could have simulated Apollo?

www.geocities.com/apolloreality/

No.

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I haven't even seen it since I keep getting the message that the site has exceeded it's limit.

But; there is already enough evidence for me to start forming an opinion.
Biggest of all... why would proof of something that would cause a major stir and media frenzy be presented on geocities?

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I can't see it.
I'm sure that I'm not missing much though.

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Yeah, that happened to me also. Try back again. It has some amazing pictures in it.

I don't recommend wasting your time. I cannot believe I wasted mine!

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The Apollo Insider section shows how the transmissions were faked. What do you think of this scenerio? Check out the picture of the flatbed truck the mobile LM simulator with the triangular window.

I think the question is what do you think this scenario. This is the conspiracy theory section, do you have a theory you would like to present?

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Simulated, yes. That was the point. Faked, no.

Simulators and field training areas were publicized by NASA during the Apollo program. There is no "news" here, although HBs like to pretend that these were some sort of hush-hush activities. You would have known this if you'd done more than browse through conspiracist websites.

Moreover, the simulators and field training facilities were hopelessly inadequate for producing the massive, highly detailed still and motion imagery record, let alone the physical and observational record.

I've seen similar plaster models used for training drone operators. The squadron I toured used them, in fact, in Vietnam. Does this show the Vietnam War was faked?

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The Apollo Insider section shows how the transmissions were faked.

No, it doesn't. This silliness has been debunked rather thoroughly.

What do you think of this scenerio?

I think that guy has no clue whatsoever about how such things work, and that thinking such a setup would be used in a "hoax" attempt is asinine.

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Here's something else I think, SLF:JAQ SFDJS. If you want to try to say something intelligent, that would be just swell. OTOH, if you simply want to go posting up links to the latest tired, oft-debunked HB web site, with nothing more to say than "OMG! Look @ this!!!11" - without actually making claims on your own and actually trying to defend them - then I'm not going to waste my time reading your posts.

That's what I think.

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I will also add SLF:JAQ SFDJS that whenever you have posted anything, you get asked questions and never bother to respond back. So why should we answer your questions?

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I think someone's trying very hard to live in the land of make-believe. Does the existence of Boeing 767 simulators prove that airline travel is or might be fake?

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Definately. Since I used to fly RC planes as a kid, I'm convinced the bigger ones I see in the sky simply use larger glo-plug engines with more powerful radios. I mean, has anyone actually seen a pilot behind the controls while the aircraft is in flight, other than in the movies?

To anser the original poster's question, his use of "OMG" stands for "Oh, My Goodness..."

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If we halt the ISS, all versions of Ares, and transport Orion and Altair aboard DIRECTv3's Jupiter family of Shuttle-Derived Launch Vehicles, we just might make it back to the Moon by 2020.

I mean, has anyone actually seen a pilot behind the controls while the aircraft is in flight, other than in the movies?

Well, yes. I've been sitting next to the pilot on a number of occasions. However, I never once adequately tested whether he was a real pilot, or an intricate faximilie thereof. Perhapse it wasn't the radio making his voice sound mechanized, maybe that was his robotic larynx.

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I'm like one of those idiot savants...well, except for the savant part.
"In order to increase awareness of the homeless, security have been given binoculars."

Well, I've been the pilot behind the controls of an aircraft actually in flight. But I'll admit to having only a poor view of myself, and not one that would allow me to verify my identity. And I'll also admit that each entire flight might have been an elaborate deception created by holographic projection and some rampies shaking the plane.

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It's also quite possible, knowing what we know about the governement's use of psychotropic drugs (hello, Vietnam anybody?) to induce hallucinations, that you only THINK you were flying, when in fact you were drugged and placed into the simulator in order to help the government continue with their coverup of the Apollo missions.


I'm not sure yet how They™ made it so, when I got off the "airplane" in Indiana, it actually looked like Indiana....but I'm sure the Truth™ is out there.

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"Think of the rivers of blood spilled by all those generals and emperors so that, in glory and triumph, they could become the momentary masters of a fraction of a dot." --Carl Sagan "Pale Blue Dot"

These simulators were shown to the public during the TV coverage of the Apollo 11 mission. The networks had a lot of dead air to fill during the marathon 24 hour a day coverage, and there was a lot of "human interest" in showing footage of the astronauts training.

They ran clips of the astronauts using the Langley simulators dozens of times during the mission. It was no secret to anyone who watched Apollo 11 coverage, including me.

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Next time you are in that situation, trying hitting the "pilot" in the head with a brick. If he goes unconscious, the plane crashes, and you die, then he was a real pilot. I have similar tests for witches.

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Well that's really sad Jay, since you seem like a very fine fellow; I certainly have a good view of you. You might want to work on these self-esteem issues.

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I really wish that there was a DVD release of the TV network's continuous coverage of Apollo 11, something on the order of what Spacecraft Films does with NASA video. It would show the HBs exactly what the public SAW in 1969, and put to rest this notion that the public didn't know about simulators and that it would show that the public was shown in detail, at the time, how the MESA worked and how television would be broadcast back to earth.

Personally, I would like to see some of the commercials that were broadcast during Apollo 11. They were like Super Bowl ads - tying in their product or service to the moon landing somehow, like Volkswagen showing how their car, since it was not water cooled, would make a perfect Lunar Rover. (Yeah, I know, but we're talking about advertising here!)

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It would be fun to make a satire movie of hoax theories, Colby's work would fit the bill nicely.
It's a safe bet that our OP doesn't have much familiarity with Apollo, or things space. If he (she) did, she would understand our humor in this "find".

they're in on the conspiracy. duh.

(yes, all of them)

It would be fun to make a satire movie of hoax theories...

Any time I have tried to parody a conspiracy theory, one of two things happens: either the parody already exists as an actual conspiracy theory, or someone tries to believe in it. Conspiracy theories are parodies -- parodies of science and investigation.

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I believe this was the sort of thing Dogbert was refering to when he said "Sometimes, no snide comment seems sufficent"

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I started laughing when they compared a photograph of an astronaut turned around almost 90 degrees (from what it looks on the picture) to simulate moon gravity, to a still shot from an Apollo 17 video. SLF:JAQ SFDJS (that's one hard to remember name, btw), you're not going to tell me that you think the video from which the Apollo 17 sequence was supposedly faked using the "tilt-it-almost-90-degrees-and-reduce-gravity" technique, are you?

EDIT: To answer the question "What do you think of this?":

I think that website is a compiled load of rediculous statement based on pictures, handwaving, implications and suggested... stuff. Based on (among other things) the "reduced gravity" claim.

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I got about as far as this statement:

In any case anyone with the slightest gumption knows that it is IMPOSSIBLE to control a rocket engine.

Hoo boy. Sure, nobody has ever seen a controlled rocket. Give me a break.

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well, I've never controlled a rocket.. it sounds hard, so it must be impossible.

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Just like it's impossible to resist the "rocket science" pun.

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I'm sure the Londoners who were hit by V2 rockets would disagree with that statement.

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"In any case anyone with the slightest gumption knows that it is IMPOSSIBLE to control a rocket engine."

Who cares if there's intelligent life on other planets?

We should be looking for evidence of it on this planet!

(BAUT readers are obviously extra-terrestrials.)