Sort of. We used to, but I got tired of losing. I just get his hand-me-down junk, for the most part. He gets the good gratis stuff, being the BA and all

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This is a goofy thread but ill comment on something since another poster seemed to take offense to it.

It is an excellent point that over the years, sightings have not only decreased but also that the phenomina follows modern cultural and technological attributes.
You would think UFO's wouldn't change much even in fifty years. Because its alien... because a ship isnt going to radically change much.

In 1970 a UFO description sounded like something from Buck Rogers

Today it sounds like something from Farscape.

This thread brings into focus a slow change over a time period that clarifies that many observers of these "Alien craft" were inlfuenced by.

well........what a welcome mr little moderator sir. My GOD, have you got a taser as well. I bet YOU inspire free alive debate.

Are you impling that open debate is "stiffled" on this board simply because a mod advised you not to substitute ** for profanity or that you should familiarize yourself with the rules of this board?

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How much effort would it take to start an internet rumor that crop circles come from irresponsible alien tweenagers swiping Daddy's saucer and doing doughnuts in farmers' fields?

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Wait, are you saying that ISN'T what happened?!?!

Might I recommend that you loose the attitude, if you don't your stay here is likely to be severely curtailed and people aren't going to take your arguments seriously. One thing "free alive debate" doesn't need is people swearing at each other and getting angry.

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This is a violation of our civility and decorum rules - a post intended only for provocation of another member. Again, you are encouraged to visit the "AboutBAUT" forum and read the rules for forum use posted there, although if you consider a freindly warning not to use a banned word harsh, I fear your stay might be a short one, so I encourage you to take a deep breath, drink a Dr. Pepper, and adjust your attitude slightly, so that you can remain a good and longtime member

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Teasers you mean?

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Where have you guys been? Flying saucers are alive and well! Sure, this video is fake, but it IS a classic flying saucer (spruced up a bit admittedly) and it IS supposedly a "recent sighting." Too bad for the hoaxster that the identical palm trees tell the tale of CG editing... http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...arch&plindex=1
Point is, good ol' fashioned mechanical UFOs are still in style for some folks... For the record I happen to believe that it's still possible that a tiny tiny fraction of a percent of "UFO" reports could be truly "extraordinary" in nature though I don't jump to the assumption of ETs. Either that or the rest of my family on my mom's side is insane. They had a group sighting as a family back in the early 60's (silent silver disc with windows and an interior on a very low flying path) so either they had a group hallucination (despite not being drug users), they're very good liars, or they saw something out of the ordinary. Like I said though, I don't jump to the assumption of ETs, anything's possible, but I also don't assume that anyone who claims to have seen something like this automatically needs psychological help. Since just about all such reports are bogus or nonsense however, I totally agree that the trends in UFO reports are heavily influenced by popular media. As they say, I try to keep my mind open to a point, but not so open that my brains fall out.

The question should perhaps be 'something out of the ordinary- but what?'

It appears that many things which are somewhat out of the ordinary can be misperceived by observers to be very out of the ordinary.
See this link: Eye witnesses
The two effects Hartmann describes- the 'excitedness effect' and the 'airship effect' together seem to be able to convince quite sensible people that they are seeing something more extraordinary than they really are.

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A dymaxion house being airlifted?

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Fair enough but this wasn't just something off in the distance, nor was it strange lights or something you had to zoom in on with a camera (not that they had a camera). It went right past them, less than a hundred feet away. It was clearly a silver metallic circular object with windows and no obvious doors or engines. Maybe it was a giant aircraft sized balloon with transparent sections on top to make it look like it had windows by some skilled prankster, but that's bordering on conspiracy of a different sort (a government program designed to make people think they're being invaded???). This sighting was much to close and too detailed to dismiss as something that should appear far in the distance or as a dot in the sky with a tail - it'd be easier to dismiss it as a lie.

Heh, that's pretty good. I can see how people would mistake that if it were being airlifted. Don't have time right now to read the whole article, did they actually airlift those things? This was in mims-middle-of-nowhere, florida. The only huge difference between this and what they claim to have seen was that the windows were on a smaller secondary dome on the top, not around the bottom. They didn't see or hear any choppers either, but that doesn't mean there wasn't one there.

Another great UFO "story". Lacks details and can not be followed up upon (date, time etc). Interesting that it had "windows" which apparently allowed them to look into the interior. I always wondered why they would need "windows"?

It's just as wrong to suppose that they wouldn't need windows as it is to suppose they would.

That's the essence of the scientific problem in the alien-vistor hypothesis to explain UFOs. The alien-visitor hypothesis is untestable because the attributes of the supposed aliens are simply contrived to apply without natural restriction to whatever intricacy the set of observations proposes. Such explanations are not falsifiable and hence not plausible: plausibility cannot be established by means of ad hoc attribution.

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The one reason ive never believed in UFOs is because if there are the amount of them we are told - we are already under attack. They are all over us like a wet shirt!

And why dont amateur and professional astronomers spot them first? They are looking into the sky all the time through instruments. This multitude of UFOs would be passing their field of vision all the time. And theres no way they cpould all keep quiet all at the same time in a huge conspiracy.

Though that desont mean there isnt alien life in the universe.

Are there any good new theories in science which answer the fermi paradox? Ive heard the ones like the "zoo theory" which is pretty fun. I keep shouting "get me out of here!" :-)

i once saw what i thought was a shooting star directly overhead do a bunch of perfect high speed right angle turns and then zoom off over the horizon in the same direction it came from.
that was weird.
i don't know what it was, but i'm sure it probably was just light from Venus refracted thru some swamp gas or something.

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To take the other side, we could simply be under study.

Possibly for the same reason that microbes don't realize they're being watched in a microscope? Any civilization that can develop the techology to somehow overcome C can probably hide from what would be our comparatively primitive detective technology.

Again, I'm just having some fun playing devil's advocate. Let me reiterate I don't personally believe we're being visited, myself

Radars are scanning the sky all the time, also, but the F111 has no trouble passing undetected through them

I personally don't put much stock in Fermi's Paradox. It isn't much of a paradox, really, and has some rather gaping holes in it. It's akin (but not precisely) like simply dismissing dark matter because no one's managed to physically bump into it yet The "zoo theory", if I recall it correctly, however, IMO, is quite a stretch. At that point, you're just a hop, skip, and a jump to Niburu Given the immense size of the universe, statistically, no matter how you choose to assign the odds, I don't see how there can't be another intelligent race, or at least has been or will be, at some point, in our universe's history, somewhere, but as much as it goes without saying that we have no evidence of that, we also have ZERO evidence that any have ever visited here. Nada

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"Those are the people that wonder how a thermos knows whether to keep something hot or keep something cold." ~ NeoWatcher

The real issue is, even if there is intelligent life^* in this universe, what are the chances of us ever meeting them? After all, "the universe is a really big place".

In our galaxy alone, literally millions of vast space empires could evolve, decline, and die, without ever meeting each other, thanks to that irritating little thing called relativity, and it's "you can't beat C" consequence.


^*(Earth doesn't count, we're not really intelligent, we're just over-evolved monkeys. )

Who was the prominant astronomer that was asked if he hoped we would meet E.T.?
He said, " I hope not!"

Given two species with one more developed than the other- the superior tends to devour the inferior.

In all honesty and casting all fears and consequences aside, I would HOPE that we could or would, one day, meet or communicate with intelligent life elsewhere.

But considering the junk we have been broadcasting in radio waves to T.V's I'm sure any other intellect would quickly realize we, in fact, are not intelligent and shun Earth for fear of getting Mobbed by Paris Hiltons.

That would be sooooo hot.

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"Those are the people that wonder how a thermos knows whether to keep something hot or keep something cold." ~ NeoWatcher

Sereni'dude
Do you ever sleep?

Heh. Not much

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"Those are the people that wonder how a thermos knows whether to keep something hot or keep something cold." ~ NeoWatcher

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IZD_RfFFHY

The Astronomer Alberto Quijano from Pasto Colombia has captured a UFO for approximately 1hr in our atmosphere. They had the telescope pointing to the Scorpio constellation when suddenly a strange object passed just under the Scorpio constellation and was filmed for an hour doing super extreme speeds and movements that defy any explanation.

The scientist says that it is undoubtedly a UFO! But doesn´t dear to call it an alien spaceship. "It moves like nothing I ever seen" He proceeds to say, “its movements are not like any asteroid, comet, or satellite or any other cosmic body we know of" They said that they will contact scientists from NASA to see if they can help them figure it out.

He is the Director of the Observatorio Astronómico de la Universidad de Nariño, and very respected:

http://www.universia.net.co/galeriad...novodniza.html
http://www.caracol.com.co/noticias/445552.asp

Nah, he is drag racing Fraser and BA in their flying saucers

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And from what I hear, losing pretty badly.

Serenitude, haven't you seen "The Fast and the Furious"?

A girly lookin man has no chance in beating a bald guy in a race

...was filmed for an hour doing super extreme speeds and movements that defy any explanation.

No. There is no basis for an estimate of speed here because there is no distance data. The only measurable motion is angular, and I've seen plenty of insects accomplish that same degree of angular motion.

The scientist says that it is undoubtedly a UFO! But doesn´t dear to call it an alien spaceship.

But be careful; that's a loaded statement. When witnesses say that, the UFO enthusiasts interpret it to mean he knows it's an alien spacecraft but "they" got to him to prevent him from saying so in public. That's different from someone saying he has no evidence at all that it's an alien spaceship, which is probably the case here.

"It moves like nothing I ever seen" He proceeds to say, “its movements are not like any asteroid, comet, or satellite or any other cosmic body we know of"

I agree its movement is not consistent with any cosmic body. The question is upon what basis are the candidate explanations being limited to cosmic bodies. We would want to ask some questions designed to test whether an unconscious bias were being applied: e.g., since astronomers are used to the things in their telescopes being very far away, was that the natural assumption in this case or are there circumstances that would support that judgment.

Clearly this is an extraordinary observation, but it doesn't necessarily have to be extraordinary in the sense of something with great cosmological significance. Silver model blimps, for example, are extraordinary and very seldom seen, and making a striking impact when you do see them; but they're not something so drastically new as to cause us to re-evaluate our place in the universe.

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Hmmm... I am curious about the images. The object jumps around in the video but one must realize that the video is a collection of exposures taken over a period of time. It appears he was using an SCT based on the video (I use a similar instrument). The bright star which is the overexposed image with the strong line implies there may have been internal reflections involved especially if he was using some form of telecompressor or other lens/filter. Remember the "saturn like object" near comet Hale-Bopp back in 1996. I am also curious as to what CCD camera was used. It looks to be an older model based on the quality of the images. Why contact NASA? If he were a real astronomer, he should contact the IAU and we also would be fed RA and DEC so others could see if they imaged the same thing.