I like that. And that's also the reason wny they keep changing the design - it's like the way the Doctor's Tardis is supposed to work: In popular culture we used to think alien spacecraft would look like saucers, and the aliens based their look on that. Today we have baroque CGI spacecraft designs in TV and movies, so current alien ships are made to look like CGI. When anyone actually sees and photographs an alien spacecraft, it is dismissed as poor CGI. Clever aliens indeed!

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Everyone knows those saucer ships are from Zeti Reticuli which is some thirty some light years away. So they'll make their return around the year 2012.

Hmmm....Actually it is about 37-39 light years. I am not sure how 2012 comes into it unless you are implying that they travel at the speed of light.

I can't wait for ARA's new book The Saucer Fleet.

Some of my ideas:
Diskship

And Zeta Reticuli is in a state of quarentine because of all the trouble those Grays caused the last time they left their homeworld. They graffiti-ed up some field in Holland, I think.

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Steve Squyers built Spirit and Opportunity
Dan Haylen upchucked in zero gravity." -Brent Simon, The Space Camp Song

If you take the conventional view of progress you might be surprised that UFOs are following human aesthetic and technological trends, however, the obverse could well be the case. Knowing that we are primitive and desiring to advance our primitive technology and sensibilities the alien expose us to low tech trainer UFO models, simple and gaudy. Only later once we have assimilated these concepts do they expose us to more advanced ideas such as unstable aerodynamics and stealth the very ideas that so befuddled the watchers of the 50's. Now we are seeing (apparently) gooey biological craft, this must be providing a pointer to the technology that is curreently being divulged to mankind in those secret underground bases.

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Yeah but what about the Thundercats?

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You watched that show, too?

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Steve Squyers built Spirit and Opportunity
Dan Haylen upchucked in zero gravity." -Brent Simon, The Space Camp Song

Of course. And He-Man.
Saturday morning included the snorkels and smurfs.

When I was younger still, it was speed racer and George of the jungle.

Go Speed Racer, go Speed Racer, go!
Got to love anime. I grew up with Pokemon and Sailor Moon, but saw Speed Racer in re-runs.
"Oh, you're my best friend
In a world we must defend!
Pokemon!
Oh, it's me and you!
Our worries propell us through
You teach me and I'll teach you!
Pokemon!"

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Rovers forever! - ToSeek
"Carl Sagan sent a message to ET,
Neil Armstrong walked in the Sea of Tranquility
Steve Squyers built Spirit and Opportunity
Dan Haylen upchucked in zero gravity." -Brent Simon, The Space Camp Song

I wrote a blog post about this but I think I had better polish it up a bit:

http://depletedcranium.com/?p=168

this topic has begun to weigh heavily on my mind since the drones popped up.
I have a pet theory.


my theory is that since they can travel through time or faster than light,
that we are seeing massive technological innovations on their end, in their
own respective timeline, within our meager lifespans.

Example, the saucers that crashed in 1947 might be 10,000 years old by ET standards.



that's my take on this.



~lwr~

That is an amusing thought.

If they have developed faster spacecraft, they might be getting here faster; for instance the earliest craft might have left their home system two thousand years ago, while the more recent craft have only taken ten years to get here.

This means they have experienced nearly two thousand years of progress on their home planet while we have only experienced sixty years or so.

I don't believe it in the slightest, but it is an interesting idea.

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The strangest product of 80s SM television had to be Fred and Barney Meet the Shmoo. Or, now that I think of it, F&B Meet the Thing. God, I forgot just how weird that was. "Thing ring, do your thing!"

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"The Mayan symbol for "book" looks a lot like a triple hamburger, but I've never seen them claiming it as proof the Mayans had Big Macs." - KaiYeves
"Distance doesn’t matter much in space, where if you just start a thing off with the right kind of shove, sooner or later it will get where you want it to go." -Frederik Pohl, Mining the Oort

I actually understood that reference.

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"Carl Sagan sent a message to ET,
Neil Armstrong walked in the Sea of Tranquility
Steve Squyers built Spirit and Opportunity
Dan Haylen upchucked in zero gravity." -Brent Simon, The Space Camp Song

classic UFO sightings in 1947 : what had just ended?

classic UFO sightings in 1952 over DC: what was going on?

The public didn't know much about modern technologies, like the Manhatten Project, but they "knew" it had to be something exotic and advanced, maybe even from aliens?

Here's a let's pretend scenario:

in 1947: the entire population of Roswell is nuclear physicists.

in 1952: the entire population of DC is rocket scientists.

What would the alternative history of UFO "flaps" be then?

I'll just conclude by paraphrasing Carl Sagan in the Cosmic Connection, that focus on aliens is really a reflection of the human psyche at any given time in history.

Indeed. About ETI, we know nothing, and as with the blank spaces on maps of antiquity, we are quick to invent monsters to fill those spaces of nothing.

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"Carl Sagan sent a message to ET,
Neil Armstrong walked in the Sea of Tranquility
Steve Squyers built Spirit and Opportunity
Dan Haylen upchucked in zero gravity." -Brent Simon, The Space Camp Song

In pre-industrial times, people were "abducted" by imps, spirits and fairies. Now, small large-eyed humanoids of our psyches and their dreamlike activities need a modern rationalization.

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Shakespeare, Twelfth Night
"The Mayan symbol for "book" looks a lot like a triple hamburger, but I've never seen them claiming it as proof the Mayans had Big Macs." - KaiYeves
"Distance doesn’t matter much in space, where if you just start a thing off with the right kind of shove, sooner or later it will get where you want it to go." -Frederik Pohl, Mining the Oort

Shocking revelation from Phil Plait, the Bad Astronomer:

BA Blog: NASA builds a UFO???

With NASA documentary picture!

No, wait. Those aren't statements. They're questions. And the answer is...

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"Here, we see the world's smallest aerospace researcher, Doctor Thumbellina, examining a frisbee."

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"The Mayan symbol for "book" looks a lot like a triple hamburger, but I've never seen them claiming it as proof the Mayans had Big Macs." - KaiYeves
"Distance doesn’t matter much in space, where if you just start a thing off with the right kind of shove, sooner or later it will get where you want it to go." -Frederik Pohl, Mining the Oort

On a serious note, from a quick google it appears that the Apollo CM base was slightly under 4 meters in diameter, and this will be about 5 meters in diameter. I knew it was bigger, but I was curious about how much.

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Here they are
http://www.comics.com/comics/marmadu...-20071021.html

Phil

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There's one in Philly...

A 14 footer from Mars Attacks and MIB-II cost him $10,000.

(I'm not crazy about the way they did the story... but that's CNN)

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It seems strange to me that as humans advance scientifically, the description of the UFO's advance in terms of appearance. The connection I am trying to make is that we appear to relate UFO's appearance, technology and abilities to our own advancement and what we see in science fiction.

100 years ago, the Electra, Texas UFO was supposed to be a Rocket with a flame tail. Now they are advanced triangles. While we didn't have rocket propulsion 100 years ago, we did have fireworks etc...

Myths have a way of fitting nicely into any timeframe.

You just stumble upon the Psychosocial Hypothesis/Sci-Fi theory.
Which for me is a perfectly good explanation for the UFO hysteria.

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I didn't know there was actually an official name for the phenomenon.

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"If this were play'd upon a stage now, I could condemn it as an improbable fiction."
Shakespeare, Twelfth Night
"The Mayan symbol for "book" looks a lot like a triple hamburger, but I've never seen them claiming it as proof the Mayans had Big Macs." - KaiYeves
"Distance doesn’t matter much in space, where if you just start a thing off with the right kind of shove, sooner or later it will get where you want it to go." -Frederik Pohl, Mining the Oort

Isn't a saucer an inefficient aerodynamic shape. Surely if there were such things as aliens and interplanetary travel a better shape would be used. Propulsion always in the saucer category comes from beneath.

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As you posted...aerodynamically, the "saucer shape" is just a bad idea, and there is no "shape requirement" when traveling through vacuum...

For instance, the Apollo LM.

Guess the "aliens" like their spaceships stylish, and not functional.

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Me neither. Thanks for the link!

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Steve Squyers built Spirit and Opportunity
Dan Haylen upchucked in zero gravity." -Brent Simon, The Space Camp Song

Hi. Let me begin by saying I am not new here. I visited this site, and posted, frequently about 6-7 years ago after watching the fox special on the moon hoax conspiracy theory. While you were all very knowledgeable and basically pulled me from the CT dark side by thoroughly answering all my questions to satisfaction (except the one about how the stars must have looked from the surface of the moon, why has not one astronaut commented on this because it must have looked beyond amazing with no atmosphere and light pollution in the way) and someone tells me the astronauts were too busy to notice, HOGWASH! But that is another discussion for another time.

Let me begin today’s post with some angst and rudeness (I apologize in advance)

Who is paying you people and how much? My god you call the CT people crazy but you are just as bad. There is a center you know and you all are wayyyyyyyy off from it. If this was politics, the Conspiracy Theorists would be all the way to the left of center, and you guys (skeptics to say the least) would be all the way to the right of center. You use this particular thread to discount UFO/UAP/Flying saucers, whatever you want to call them. You make all kinds of jokes but you forgot that there are never certainties in life. Theorists are CERTAIN Flying Saucers are real, and you skeptics are CERTAIN they do not exist. Now don’t tell me you are not certain because that is you politically correct way of denying your own reality. You do not believe. But your nonbelieving is just as whacky and out there as the believers. It really only leads me to one conclusion and that is; scattered among you skeptics are ex government employees, defense contractors, aerospace engineers et al. Who are doing nothing but spreading misinfo and disinfo. There has been so much government interest in this phenomena, that if it was as ridiculous as you claim, would warrant literally ZERO government research and involvement, yet ever since the "Battle for Los Angeles" the government has shown a keen interest in the matter, has compiled numerous reports/investigations, has step by step instructions for Air force personnel on how to react, and what to do when they encounter one. I know you are all probably cracking up laughing at me but what about the disclosure project with all the ex military, airline pilots etc? You think these highly trained highly qualified and professional people mistook ALL their accounts, that is beyond ludicrous and I truly believe you agree with me but will not admit it because you are here to spread propaganda about how insane the idea of a potential craft that is not of terrestrial origin is flying in our skies, invading our airspace at will. Now I know there are tons of secret military projects that get mistaken for flying saucers but like Stanton Friedman says "millions of radioactive isotopes are not fissionable, but a small few are. We do not care about the ones that aren’t; we only care about the small few. Heck even if literally ONE sighting by ANYONE over the years is credible, then it warrants serious investigation. Sure in part you are correct that it is a societal phenomenon. But you are forgetting what caused it to leak into pop culture....Roswell. We all know the details inside and out of this case, but my question is, ranchers in New Mexico were very familiar with weather balloons, as was the military, yet the story magically changes and the rancher is ordered to remain silent on the matter. Well that’s weird, see it is one thing for the rancher to mistake the crash debris, but the military????????? I mean it's staring at us right in front of our faces, yet you continue to mock and poke fun ridiculing the whole subject, furthering the mainstream science agenda of ignoring every and any credible sighting. Then you all question why sightings have gone down, why the shapes of saucers have changed etc... For a bunch of smart guys you are not looking at the big picture here. Sightings have not gone down, just do some worldwide research on the subject, and you will see constant sightings across this globe, it is just that you are so closed minded you already made the decision long ago these do not exist and are not real so you make no attempt to research the matter but then come to a public forum and spread lies that sightings have gone down and the craft has changed from hubcaps to globs of goo. If you did the required research necessary to make an informed comment, the classic saucer shape still is sighted regularly around the globe, but you would not know that. I will admit this entire field is littered with hoaxes, misinformation, disinformation, and flat out liars on both ends of the spectrum which makes it painfully difficult to sift through when trying to get some serious credible cases, but with enough elbow grease you would be surprised at the current sightings/images that are out there today.


I know none of this matters you will call me crazy, make fun of me, and continue to spread your propaganda, and it is truly sad that the future scientists will look to people like you for guidance and all you do is perpetuate the government agenda of ridicule whenever the question of "is it possible advanced life forms are visiting this planet and have been all throughout recorded history" is posed. History will not look back at this time period in a positive light, we live in a dark ages where anything outside of mainstream science is ignored or laughed at and suppressed. This is how we grow stagnant as humanity and it is sickening. Before the uber secretive cold war scientific and technological advances were public knowledge, now everything’s classified for the sake of national security and it holds the normal amateur engineers back from inventing the next form of transportation etc... Imagine Newton’s works or Einstein’s works were never released due to matters of National Security. It is disgusting.


In conclusion I just want to say you are all just as crazy and just as ill informed as the UFO believers out there, the only difference is you are on the opposite end of the spectrum.