Originally Posted by impactstyles

Who is paying you people and how much?

Originally Posted by impactstyles

Hi. Let me begin by saying I am not new here. I visited this site, and posted, frequently about 6-7 years ago after watching the fox special on the moon hoax conspiracy theory. While you were all very knowledgeable and basically pulled me from the CT dark side by thoroughly answering all my questions to satisfaction (except the one about how the stars must have looked from the surface of the moon, why has not one astronaut commented on this because it must have looked beyond amazing with no atmosphere and light pollution in the way) and someone tells me the astronauts were too busy to notice, HOGWASH! But that is another discussion for another time.

Let me begin today’s post with some angst and rudeness (I apologize in advance)

Who is paying you people and how much? My god you call the CT people crazy but you are just as bad. There is a center you know and you all are wayyyyyyyy off from it. If this was politics, the Conspiracy Theorists would be all the way to the left of center, and you guys (skeptics to say the least) would be all the way to the right of center. You use this particular thread to discount UFO/UAP/Flying saucers, whatever you want to call them. You make all kinds of jokes but you forgot that there are never certainties in life. Theorists are CERTAIN Flying Saucers are real, and you skeptics are CERTAIN they do not exist. Now don’t tell me you are not certain because that is you politically correct way of denying your own reality. You do not believe. But your nonbelieving is just as whacky and out there as the believers. It really only leads me to one conclusion and that is; scattered among you skeptics are ex government employees, defense contractors, aerospace engineers et al. Who are doing nothing but spreading misinfo and disinfo. There has been so much government interest in this phenomena, that if it was as ridiculous as you claim, would warrant literally ZERO government research and involvement, yet ever since the "Battle for Los Angeles" the government has shown a keen interest in the matter, has compiled numerous reports/investigations, has step by step instructions for Air force personnel on how to react, and what to do when they encounter one. I know you are all probably cracking up laughing at me but what about the disclosure project with all the ex military, airline pilots etc? You think these highly trained highly qualified and professional people mistook ALL their accounts, that is beyond ludicrous and I truly believe you agree with me but will not admit it because you are here to spread propaganda about how insane the idea of a potential craft that is not of terrestrial origin is flying in our skies, invading our airspace at will. Now I know there are tons of secret military projects that get mistaken for flying saucers but like Stanton Friedman says "millions of radioactive isotopes are not fissionable, but a small few are. We do not care about the ones that aren’t; we only care about the small few. Heck even if literally ONE sighting by ANYONE over the years is credible, then it warrants serious investigation. Sure in part you are correct that it is a societal phenomenon. But you are forgetting what caused it to leak into pop culture....Roswell. We all know the details inside and out of this case, but my question is, ranchers in New Mexico were very familiar with weather balloons, as was the military, yet the story magically changes and the rancher is ordered to remain silent on the matter. Well that’s weird, see it is one thing for the rancher to mistake the crash debris, but the military????????? I mean it's staring at us right in front of our faces, yet you continue to mock and poke fun ridiculing the whole subject, furthering the mainstream science agenda of ignoring every and any credible sighting. Then you all question why sightings have gone down, why the shapes of saucers have changed etc... For a bunch of smart guys you are not looking at the big picture here. Sightings have not gone down, just do some worldwide research on the subject, and you will see constant sightings across this globe, it is just that you are so closed minded you already made the decision long ago these do not exist and are not real so you make no attempt to research the matter but then come to a public forum and spread lies that sightings have gone down and the craft has changed from hubcaps to globs of goo. If you did the required research necessary to make an informed comment, the classic saucer shape still is sighted regularly around the globe, but you would not know that. I will admit this entire field is littered with hoaxes, misinformation, disinformation, and flat out liars on both ends of the spectrum which makes it painfully difficult to sift through when trying to get some serious credible cases, but with enough elbow grease you would be surprised at the current sightings/images that are out there today.


I know none of this matters you will call me crazy, make fun of me, and continue to spread your propaganda, and it is truly sad that the future scientists will look to people like you for guidance and all you do is perpetuate the government agenda of ridicule whenever the question of "is it possible advanced life forms are visiting this planet and have been all throughout recorded history" is posed. History will not look back at this time period in a positive light, we live in a dark ages where anything outside of mainstream science is ignored or laughed at and suppressed. This is how we grow stagnant as humanity and it is sickening. Before the uber secretive cold war scientific and technological advances were public knowledge, now everything’s classified for the sake of national security and it holds the normal amateur engineers back from inventing the next form of transportation etc... Imagine Newton’s works or Einstein’s works were never released due to matters of National Security. It is disgusting.


In conclusion I just want to say you are all just as crazy and just as ill informed as the UFO believers out there, the only difference is you are on the opposite end of the spectrum.

Originally Posted by SLF:JAQ SFDJS

Bravo!!!! Atleast 90%

Originally Posted by SLF:JAQ SFDJS

Bravo!!!! Atleast 90%

Originally Posted by impactstyles

There has been so much government interest in this phenomena, that if it was as ridiculous as you claim, would warrant literally ZERO government research and involvement, yet ever since the "Battle for Los Angeles" the government has shown a keen interest in the matter, has compiled numerous reports/investigations, has step by step instructions for Air force personnel on how to react, and what to do when they encounter one.

Originally Posted by impactstyles

But you are forgetting what caused it to leak into pop culture....Roswell.

Originally Posted by impactstyles

We all know the details inside and out of this case, but my question is, ranchers in New Mexico were very familiar with weather balloons, as was the military, yet the story magically changes and the rancher is ordered to remain silent on the matter.

Originally Posted by impactstyles

Well that’s weird, see it is one thing for the rancher to mistake the crash debris, but the military?????????

Originally Posted by impactstyles

In conclusion I just want to say you are all just as crazy and just as ill informed as the UFO believers out there, the only difference is you are on the opposite end of the spectrum.

Originally Posted by impactstyles

You do not believe.

Originally Posted by impactstyles

[edit]Any who, the gentleman that answered my Roswell comments/questions makes a lot of sense, but I find something fishy about the entire story. The skeptics among you who need hard evidence, there is hard evidence, the question is, do you believe it?

Originally Posted by impactstyles

Of course there is no crashed saucer or alien body that we officially know about, but some abductees have had pieces of foreign metal removed from there body that was independently verified as metals not natural to this planet.

Originally Posted by impactstyles

There is the other gentleman, whose name escapes me now, who owns a piece of "something" that just fell from the sky one night and has been verified again to not be a meteor, asteroid, or anything from this planet. There are the Chinese dropa stones.

Originally Posted by impactstyles

Then there are all the stories throughout history. I know you are all well aware of the ancient astronaut theories. But I digress.

Originally Posted by impactstyles

I don't know how many of you get the science channel on your local cable service, and if you do I don’t know how many of you watched the special yesterday about the "lost" Apollo 11 moon tapes that were recently found and aired. During this special they interviewed a few of the "Houston" guys as well as a new interview with Buzz Aldrin. Here's the kicker if you did not watch it. Buzz openly admits that during his trip to the moon, they had a UFO follow them, and they have video of it. They showed the video on the special, but they said it was footage of a later Apollo mission, yet it was the same UFO. Then Buzz goes on to talk about his experience with cosmic rays as he tried to go to sleep. Finally Buzz, and the narrator concurs that nobody "cared" about the ufo following alongside them because they were so caught up with trying to figure out the cosmic rays.

Originally Posted by impactstyles

But this is exactly what really upsets me. That is proof. Just because you can not touch it or see it today, that was proof with the darned astronaut admitting so, but then they just gloss over it and focus on the cosmic ray scenario.

Originally Posted by impactstyles

Kind of like how our current president tells us Bin Laden is no longer a concern and most of America is like "Oh, no concern anymore, OK" Meanwhile he is the MAN to get. It makes no sense.

Originally Posted by impactstyles

To me Buzz Aldrin's words last night were an admission that this phenomenon is at least partly attributed to an extraterrestrial presence. Yet the way it was presented, no one would think twice about it. It was later admitted that to this day NASA still has no idea or admission to what this craft was that followed Apollo 11 to the moon.

Originally Posted by impactstyles

Sorry I am rambling on here but another thing I want to address to the skeptics out there is this. Again why all the government interest? I could understand a few reports to throw people (and Russia) off the trail of our black budget military ops, but for these reports to continue for years on end just does not make sense if the phenomena was fabricated or easily explained by "swamp gas" or "Venus".

I anxiously await your replies.

Originally Posted by impactstyles

Any who, the gentleman that answered my Roswell comments/questions makes a lot of sense, but I find something fishy about the entire story.

Originally Posted by impactstyles

The skeptics among you who need hard evidence, there is hard evidence, the question is, do you believe it? Of course there is no crashed saucer or alien body that we officially know about, but some abductees have had pieces of foreign metal removed from there body that was independently verified as metals not natural to this planet. There is the other gentleman, whose name escapes me now, who owns a piece of "something" that just fell from the sky one night and has been verified again to not be a meteor, asteroid, or anything from this planet.

Originally Posted by impactstyles

But I digress. I don't know how many of you get the science channel on your local cable service, and if you do I don’t know how many of you watched the special yesterday about the "lost" Apollo 11 moon tapes that were recently found and aired. During this special they interviewed a few of the "Houston" guys as well as a new interview with Buzz Aldrin. Here's the kicker if you did not watch it. Buzz openly admits that during his trip to the moon, they had a UFO follow them, and they have video of it. They showed the video on the special, but they said it was footage of a later Apollo mission, yet it was the same UFO. Then Buzz goes on to talk about his experience with cosmic rays as he tried to go to sleep. Finally Buzz, and the narrator concurs that nobody "cared" about the ufo following alongside them because they were so caught up with trying to figure out the cosmic rays. But this is exactly what really upsets me. That is proof.

Originally Posted by impactstyles

I could understand a few reports to throw people (and Russia) off the trail of our black budget military ops, but for these reports to continue for years on end just does not make sense if the phenomena was fabricated or easily explained by "swamp gas" or "Venus".

I anxiously await your replies.

Originally Posted by JayUtah

Not natural doesn't rule out artificial. Most people have detritus in their bodies. I carried a splinter for nearly 10 years, and I still have rocks in my knee from a spill I took when I was eight.

Dr. Robert Leir who has perfomed multiple surgeries removing these foreign objects has said some of the implants were biological and actually responded by "moving" when the attempt was made to remove them. He went on further to state that most of the foreign peices of metal removed have created nerve endings which, as humans, we still do not have the technology to accomplish.

...just fell from the sky one night and has been verified again to not be a meteor, asteroid, or anything from this planet.

Buzz Aldrin's alleged UFO has been covered at length. It hasn't been secret at all. It was a piece of the Saturn V rocket.

I apologize in advance again for not reading the other thread that talks about this...yet. But Buzz said during the interview he asked Houston how far away the rockets were at that time and they responded 6,000 miles, he then further states he knew this object was not 6,000 miles away but much closer.

To me Buzz Aldrin's words last night were an admission that this phenomenon is at least partly attributed to an extraterrestrial presence.

It was later admitted that to this day NASA still has no idea or admission to what this craft was that followed Apollo 11 to the moon.

Completely, totally false. NASA conclusively identified it as the SLA panel based on its trajectory.

So you are now telling me that during this documentary, not only did they stretch the truth, but they flat out bold face lied to their viewers, we are not talking a little stretch here, we are talking a completely made up, fabricated, based on nothing at all, lie.


Again why all the government interest?

Because during the Cold War the U.S. was understandably paranoid. At first they thought these sightings might have been of Soviet craft of some kind, such as recon drones or combat aircraft. Then they feared Soviets might use some gimmick to create a bunch of sightings that would tie up U.S. air defense while they launched an attack.

The government interest decades ago was simply to see whether these sightings could be tied to any known national security threat. In some cases that could be ruled out affirmatively, because upon serious investigation the real cause was discovered (usually mistaken identification of common phenomena). But the affirmative method is not required. That is, an investigation doesn't necessarily have to determine the actual root cause in order to rule out some other root cause whose ruling-out was the primary activity.

Nowadays, ironically, the criticism is that government isn't interested enough. UFO enthusiasts chalk this up to the government supposedly already having first-hand knowledge of space aliens, therefore no further public research is needed. It's more parsimoniously attributed to the prior interest having been satisfied, and no change in the observations warrants revisiting the conclusion.

Originally Posted by impactstyles

Dr. Robert Leir who has perfomed multiple surgeries removing these foreign objects has said some of the implants were biological and actually responded by "moving" when the attempt was made to remove them. He went on further to state that most of the foreign peices of metal removed have created nerve endings which, as humans, we still do not have the technology to accomplish.

Originally Posted by Maksutov

Here are a few links re Dr. Lier, who is a podiatrist and, as shown by his web site, a "true believer" in abductions. The lab results show materials that are found on Earth. Metallurgically the state/structure of the materials indicate a probable origin in one case from a low-nickel iron meteorite and, in the other, an Earth-based rock. Nothing remotely biological here.

The New Mexico Tech info looks legit, it being an accredited science and engineering school. However the National Institute for Discovery Science is another matter entirely.

And of course, don't forget to visit the Alien Implant Research Online Store!

Originally Posted by impactstyles

I can believe a few military people and a few airline pilots might have been three sheets to the wind one night and thought venus=ET, but not the hundreds of retired military high ranking officials, pilots, engineers, etc. Again even if 99% of their sightings are explained, what accounts for that 1%, THAT is where my questions lie. If these people thought for one second that there was an alternative, easy explanation for what they saw, then they would not risk everything to come forward and publicly admit what they are saying, and again we are not talking one or two guys here we are talking hundreds.

Originally Posted by impactstyles

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Again even if 99% of their sightings are explained, what accounts for that 1%, THAT is where my questions lie.

Originally Posted by impactstyles

Random question, have you all ever heard of hyperdiminsional physics?

Originally Posted by astrophotographer

I am not so certain about this. Many amateurs are recording the ISS with little difficulty and in enough detail to identify it. Yes, I have plenty of satellite streaks in my photographs and all are very small but I use a digital SLR with a low focal length. Many amateurs using CCDs are imaging galaxies in very long focal lengths and with fine resolution. My guess is they could probably identify large satellites (about the size of a bus) if they passed the field of view. Of course, they would just be wide streaks and not show detail.

Then we have the survey's done by NEAT, LONEOS, LINEAR, etc. They are covering larger areas of the sky looking for fast moving asteroids (and sweeping up just about everything else in near earth orbit). I am sure any foreign object invading the earth environment would be imaged and identified. I believe there was one such object some time ago that was thought to be an old Saturn rocket stage that may have returned into earth orbit (although this was never confirmed and could be just a small asteroid).

The amount of sky monitored by these surveys have pretty much eliminated the comet discoveries by amateurs (not completely yet). It would seem these instruments would be able to detect any large objects in earth orbit or approaching earth orbit.

Originally Posted by KaiYeves

But I think everyone else here was a normal kid.