Well, I don't think anybody else here thought the Yeti was out to get them...

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I've had worse than that. Such as hiding, terrified, whenever someone rang the doorbell, being utterly convinced (decades before The Matrix) that I was in a fake reality being experimented on, fearing germs coming throught the telephone line, being afraid to touch certain patterns on the floor or feeling I had to touch certain patterns on the wall, peeing in a plastic bag so I wouldn't have to leave my room, peeking behing pictures, mirrors and furniture to make sure no one was watching me, and a slew of other wacked-outedness lasting well into my teen years.

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"The Mayan symbol for "book" looks a lot like a triple hamburger, but I've never seen them claiming it as proof the Mayans had Big Macs." - KaiYeves
"Distance doesn’t matter much in space, where if you just start a thing off with the right kind of shove, sooner or later it will get where you want it to go." -Frederik Pohl, Mining the Oort

Wow, I wasn't the only paranoid one. Here's a brief list of my fears:
There was a ghost in the bathroom, and another one in my closet that would come out and get me if I ever slept with my closet door open.
Already mentioned, thought if I didn't run down the hallway and into my room fast enough, the Yeti would eat me.
There was a monster in the basement that stole things I left down there.
If I was ever alone and unable to see, Gray Aliens would abduct me.
That's about it, but I still have a thing with looking at octopi and squid.

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I don't care which rocket you use, whichever one you pick, I'll like it, I swear.
"If you think the LHC will create black holes, you might as well believe Hobbits are at the bottom of your garden."- Dr. Mike Inglis
Rovers forever! - ToSeek

I don't have eyebrows. Hazard of the trade.

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You mean it doesn't grow back?

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Which trade: aviation design, hoax explainer, or theatre?

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The Masonic Lodge have their secret handshake, Aerospace Engineers hav....



......Jeez, I've already said too much

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I are Learnding.

I have tried to invent a form of hyperdimensional physics. Start with two branes colliding. As you would know the flat earth folk get laughed at but not so the uni-centrists. There is a question of did we get all the details just right.

I am an ex-government employee and so not to be trusted (I sold train tickets), also recently struggling to answer you (my cat the 'alien') didn't want you to know this. No one considers that if two branes collide that the discharge must start from a side. Since there is no empty space it must be created which is very energy intensive, a sort of Tesla space if you like.

Aliens, I don't know. Intelligent beings, well not the humans anyway. Time travel is just round the corner and if you are getting visits from future humans consider them as good as dead. As stiff as the time line is if in quantum two time like line tenth dimension only one final existence is possible.

The cases are an intelligent species stops stupid humans from accessing time, probably already too late. The damage done to the mind local and global is incalculable. Case two humans are really smart and accept whatever carnage they exist in and elect to go forward. Case two only works with the almost total destruction of humanity on a regular enough basis because they just can't be trusted. Case three and the most likely, humans become smart enough to ensure total annihilation of the species which incidentally makes it finally safe for the rest of the universe.

So the short answer is if a species or lifeform in our timeline that genuinely valued its life found humans to be too dangerous. It could be forgiven for the total and utter destruction of all humanity after all we are most likely to do it to ourselves anyway. Just for argument lets say the sun is a large complex and sentient thing or the earth Gaia. Nano grey goo is not the sort of stuff to sneeze at you know.

Any peace mission sent back would be a failure as information corrupts in time brought back before its source and potentially changes (read destroys) the future it came from. And with quantum time like lines any present information corrupts the further forward in time it is available and preserved to be thought on.

Information must give knowledge, knowledge must lead to wisdom, wisdom creates new information or rewrites the source to remove it from corrupting factors. The nature of humans must be measured by group which means there is no hope by any standard unless you do as I do and hope for divine intervention

Which trade: aviation design, hoax explainer, or theatre?

The flames are mostly figurative in hoax work. Aerospace and theater each involve a fair amount of potential for facial heat transfer from actual flames.

We use safety torches in the theater. These gadgets burn a Sterno-like gel fuel at low temperature, held in a metal cage. Holding the torch in standard "unruly mob" fashion holds open a spring-loaded cover. If you should happen to drop the torch for any reason, the cover is released and springs over the burning end to douse the flame immediately. The design flaw is that if you hit something hard with the torch, the momentum of the gel fuel can carry it through the holes in the cage, dropping little bits of flaming fuel onto surface below. That leads to unintended choreography as you try to stomp out the little flamelets.

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Buzz Aldrin UFO
Aldrin sees UFO??? fact or hoax
Buzz says he saw a UFO?

Apollo UFOs
Apollo UFO transmissions
Video of UFO filmed by astronauts around the moon.

Philip Corso
Philip J Corso and the aliens.

Disclosure Project
The Disclosure Project

Rendlesham
Rendlesham Forest Incident, Whats your take!

Roswell
Roswell
Roswell "confession".....
Rational Roswell?
NM Governor Richardson Calls For Roswell UFO Investigation

Kecksburg
Kecksburg Case Proves NASA/Airforce Dishonesty
Kecksburg "UFO"....
NASA to Search Files on '65 UFO Incident

Mexico Airforce Film
UFOs over Mexico.

MJ12
MJ12 Documents

Shag Harbour
A "New Roswell" event from Discovery(pseudo) Scie

miscellaneous
UFOs: a 60 year assessment
What happened to all the Flying Saucers?
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Then there are the Xenu saucers that froze and accumulated debris around Saturn
http://www.space.com/scienceastronom...urn-moons.html

They always go the wrong way...
http://www.space.com/scienceastronom...-way-halo.html

From fiction...
http://www.arapress.com/saucer.html

The real things
http://www.astronautix.com/craftfam/lenicles.htm
http://www.cartechbooks.com/vstore/s..._ID=1602&DID=8

The source of contrails by Air Force bases--captured versions of these:
http://www.specialtypress.com/vstore...D=1713&CATID=1


Cooler than cool
http://www.specialtypress.com/vstore...D=1706&CATID=1

That always makes me laugh as there is a similarly named town on Long Island.

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I want to go back to the moon.
I don't care which rocket you use, whichever one you pick, I'll like it, I swear.
"If you think the LHC will create black holes, you might as well believe Hobbits are at the bottom of your garden."- Dr. Mike Inglis
Rovers forever! - ToSeek

...I don’t know how many of you watched the special yesterday about the "lost" Apollo 11 moon tapes that were recently found and aired. During this special they interviewed a few of the "Houston" guys as well as a new interview with Buzz Aldrin.

I'm about 40 minutes into watching a repeat of the program on the Science Channel that is evidently being referred to in this post ("First on the Moon: The Untold Story").

It's essentially sensationalist hogwash. There are egregious factual errors, errors of inference, and deliberate attempts to amplify the sensation of danger and uncertainty.

For example, during the discussion of the 1202 program alarm, a loud klaxon sound effect has been added to the soundtrack of the controllers diagnosing the problem, apparently to exaggerate the sense of danger. The narrator wrongly claims the computer had "crashed," and the program wrongly attributes the LM's off-target landing to the effects of this computer anomaly.

The claims that NASA never resolved the Apollo 11 UFO sighting and swore the astronauts to secrecy comes from NASA scientist Dr. David Baker. It's simply factually incorrect. It's ironic that such a statement should have been edited together with Buzz Aldrin talking freely about the sighting and explaining specifically that they didn't talk much about it over the radio at the time precisely to avoid misinterpretation by UFO woo-woos.

It's TV, not history.

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It's TV, not history.





Never let the facts......

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I are Learnding.

It seems to me that if extraterrestrials had the means, and power and technology to get here, they rightly wouldn't give a damn what we thought we saw.

Unless one lands in my back yard and Grak steps out, I over the years have just become a bemused non-believer. There's nothing crazy about not believing what cannot be proven irrefutably. There is a madness however in conversely believing in what cannot again be proven.

You would think so... http://www.stuff.co.nz/4328786a12.html

Madness, politician, ... not going there.

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