well I just passed along this site and I have been reading lately about all of this stuff with the poles flipping exactly on december 21, 2012, and how it will bring life as we know it to a halt, and blah blah, and I just wanna get your opinions on the latest doomsday topics...

personally, I feel it is all a bunch of garbage...if we are basing our main theory on this because of something the mayans predicted thousands of years ago, then that cant abe a good reason to believe something like this...and all these ppl that say "oh, well the continents will shift 1000's of km's immediately, and the magnetic field will shift immediately"...how is all of this possible? I just want someone to tell me the truth about all this nonsense...personally, I dont believe anything will happen on december 21, 2012...ill be finishing up wrapping my childrens christmas presents and going to church

Yep, it's nonsense.

We've discussed it much. If you don't mind, here are some topics that I keep track of, that contain discussion to probably any depth you can stand, at the end, this topic:

2003 no, 2012 si
2012
Pole shift / Planetary alignment 2012?
2012 alignment question
about the Mayan 2012 item
2012 Debunking?
Possible asteroid impact in 2012?
2012 asteroid?
We don't have to worry about 2012!
More on 2012 from India Daily
2012 Completion of conspiracy?
Here's what's REALLY going to happen in 2012...
crop circles, Planet X and 2012
Planet X, crop circles and 2012 cataclysma
According to the Mayans, what will happen on 23rd Dec. 2012?
More 2012 Nonsense
NEO 2012?
Dangerous NEO in 2012?
Christmas 2012
2012 mayan calender end of world
Regarding the supposed polar shift/new ice age in 2012
New 2012 threat?
2012 look at this thing on the sun
Russian Expert Predicts Global Cooling from 2012
Pole shift idea origins
Dec 20 2012
2012 Stuff
Horizon Project-New End of World Scare?
Date: December 21st 2012
Earth passing thru Galactic center in 2012 - didn't that already happen?
2012: What do you think well happen (if anything)
So what will we see in 2012?
Galactic Tsunami?
Plane of the ecliptic of the galaxy?
Earth's Magnetic Field & 2012
2012?
Any truth to this?
How can the sun be aligned with Galactic centre?
the whole 2012 poles flip nonsense

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ah thanks for all the tips, so basically on december 21st well be ending our chrristmas shopping...and thats about it...eh didnt believe any of it, but how did all these theories come up in the first place? the most rediculous one ive heard is the one about the continents shifting immediately

I don't know how there are so many flavors of 2012 events. I'd imagine it's because lots of people fabricated what the date would hold, to make money, to gain attention, to freak people out, whatever.

The date is of interest because the Mayan calendar does a major rollover then (but does not end). People mistook that, and just proceeded to make stuff up to match.

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Next, the 2012 proponents will inform us the poles will shift every December 31, since that's when the Gregorian calendar rolls over. ('course, maybe the poles do shift on New Year's Eve, that's why people are so crazy that night... )

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21? pretty close to the 31 and everyone knows that all the yearly calendars go defective and you have to buy new ones - either that or find yourself a new insurance agent.

There was a 3rd rate paperback in the 70's, called "The HAB Theory". I think this "magnum opus", combined with the 2012 nonsense, is the mystic mainspring behind a lot of this stuff.....Art Bell has contributed to a lot of this also....

Dale

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"NASA predicts that the Sun will also reverse its own magnetic poles during 2012 as result of reaching the end of the current 11-year sunspot cycle."

...An interesting tidbit indeed. Thanks Wiki.

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Considering that according to that the Sun's magnetic field also reversed in 2001, 1990, 1979, 1968, ect and Earth has not been destroyed, experienced "Earth Changes" or anything else noticeable what makes you think that is of any significance?

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Remember; OUR calander is based-off the guessed day of Jesus Christ's birth.
The Mayan calander is based-off astronomical events. SOMETHING WILL happen... But we may only figure out what "IT" is, decades AFTER the 2012 "event". For example:People blame the "full-moon" on bizzar human/animal behavior, along with high-tide. Short of the whole Earth bursting into flames; Life-will-survive. In the year 2121 they will look back 109 years in the past and already know what happened according to the old gregorian calander on December 21, 2012.

personally, I think some of "us" can remember what happened on "Cinco de Mayo"...

So New Year's Day is December 25th?

BTW, I've always wanted to start a petition in favor of making Easter (or at least Passover) the first day of the year. Imagine the February effect the second year!

Meanwhile, rollover Mayanen, and tell Tchaikovsky the news.

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Me, too. And all of us BAUTers will be feeling sad because it's 363 more days until Carl Sagan Day.

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When that day comes, just stand on your head. From your point of view, the poles will be "flipped".

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Great list, thank you!

2012 is when the Mayan calander stone ends... What if it ends on that date simply because the Mayans could only make the stone a certian size?
As I recall wasn't the stone supposed to be mounted over an enterance for one of their temples?
I think we need to have the rim of the calander examnined very VERY carfully!
Somewhere on it I'm sure it has the symbols for "Continued On Disk 2" )

Randy

Everyone keeps talking about the Mayan Calender. Forget about that, the main source of concern should be that the sun and our solar system is crossing the galactic polar plain of our universe. No one thinks that this event migth cause electronic interupptions and power grids to go off-line?

Um, no. No, they don't.

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Would you care to explain what you mean by "galactic polar [plane?] of our universe"? There have been some folks claiming that the sun would soon cross the equatorial plane of our galaxy (there are, of course, many galaxies in the universe), but this turns out not to be true. We're not passing near a "pole" of our galaxy either. Here is a discussion of some of these issues related to another "plane" claim:

http://www.badastronomy.com/bablog/2...nother-galaxy/

Well, given that the solar system isn't going through the "equatorial plane" for a very long time (long compared to human history), no. But even assuming it did, we would have to consider what was suggested that would cause these issues, and look for evidence to see if it actually existed.

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Ahhh, the "HAB Theory" short for Hugh Auchincloss Brown, an electrical engineer who devoted his life into his '90s urging Congress, The UN etc. to prevent the "dangerous" buildup of ice at the poles which was supposed to throw the Earth off balance..the theory's been disproved, however. Now the poles are melting anyway...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_Auchincloss_Brown

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Isn't this guy Unregistered?

How is he posting?!

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Yeah, how does that work??? I was going to guess it had something to do with a ban. But there's been no recent additions to the banned posters log, and in any case, bans don't show up that way, right?

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Right, they show up as banned under the users name...

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There seems to be a glitch in the software that allows unregistered guests to post to one of the forums. That's where this thread started; I moved it here based on the subject matter. (It will be interesting to see if the OP can post here.)

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We have a forum where unregistered users can post?

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It came from Bad Astronomy Stories. I think it has special rules because that section is associated with the BA's blog.

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The BA's blog was like my toe-dip for BAUT. I was making comments there a month before I created my acount, just to find out if people cared about what I had to say.

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For all we know, it could be when Jupiter and Venus come close to each other, with a crescent moon not far off.

Or, it could be when Mars is at it's brightest.

Or maybe a comet will show up. AGAIN!

Or...it's another big word, along with "If".

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Wait....



I just had the strangest feeling of deja vu...


<shrugs> oh well...