This sort of attitude adjustment is praiseworthy. Well done.

Welcome to a new beginning at the science-oriented BAUT Forum.

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Okay, my turn to do some "piling off".

Well done, dfrank. You've just put a lot of distance between yourself and the typical conspiracy buff we run into.

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Relight the Firefly!

"It is quite clear that Occam's razor does not sharpen in your pyramid." (Nicolas)

"Still, a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest." (Paul Simon)

Dfrank, I think it is the first time in over 2 years I have been here that it has happened usually it is spirals down to calling everyone an either gullible, uniformed or a stooge. In short congrats.

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If it's just us, it seems like an awful waste of space.
Contact Carl Sagan

http://davidsuniverse.wordpress.com/

Indeed, congratulations. Although you no one here is suggesting you have to abandon your theory, it takes intestinal fortitude to make the call you did, regarding actual available evidence at this time. Kudos to you, and I wish you nothing but luck in your search. Meanwhile, we welcome any and all scientific questions. You may find the QnA and General Science sections of great use

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"I have this theory that the Apollo missions were faked when NASA found out that general relativity was wrong because the Earth was expanding due to the Sun's iron core being influenced by magnetic waves from the electric universe after being perturbed by Planet X and thereby causing global warming. Where should I start a thread about this?" ~ ToSeek

"Those are the people that wonder how a thermos knows whether to keep something hot or keep something cold." ~ NeoWatcher

Dfrank, that's really a manly act of you .

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Jean
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"The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing." - Albert Einstein

"The good life is inspired by love and guided by knowledge " - Bertrand Russell

I take my hat off to you.
The first time I see someone doing that.

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"Who does not know anything, must believe everything."
Baroness Marie von Ebner-Eschenbach 1830-1916
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Yes, this is an example of real honor. It's okay to say, "I still think this might be true, but I acknowledge it doesn't come up to a scientific standard of proof." People who hear the second part are much more likely to show respect for the first part, even if they don't agree with it.

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"Facts are stubborn things." --John Adams
Clavius Moon Base

To all,

Thanks for the kind words. How lucky we are to be able to view the wonders of the Universe. Let us move on to good science.

dfrank

Those last posts are exactly why I joined BAUT.

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I want to go back to the moon.
I don't care which rocket you use, whichever one you pick, I'll like it, I swear.
"If you think the LHC will create black holes, you might as well believe Hobbits are at the bottom of your garden."- Dr. Mike Inglis
Rovers forever! - ToSeek

What do we post to make you leave?

I meant that I joined for thoughtful and polite discussion of scientific issues, as is shown in the acceptances of dfrank's appology.

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I want to go back to the moon.
I don't care which rocket you use, whichever one you pick, I'll like it, I swear.
"If you think the LHC will create black holes, you might as well believe Hobbits are at the bottom of your garden."- Dr. Mike Inglis
Rovers forever! - ToSeek

<chuckle> I know

You shoulda seen Niin in the Joe Rogan thread. That was a shiner

I'm happy for you, Dfrank.

I too have had to put aside my interpretation of something (not always astronomy related, though) as new info from others was revealed to me.
I didn't want to believe it either, but in the end, I conceded, knowing I was wrong.

What I've learned is to be humble when others that have more knowledge on a particular subject try to help set the record straight.

I hope your time at BAUT will be long and fruitful, and that you can pass on knowledge to others that come by.

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This is no fantasy. No careless product of wild imagination. - Jor-El

Godspeed, John Glenn. - Scott Carpenter

And these atomic bombs that science burst upon the world that night were strange even to the men that used them.
- H.G Wells, The World Set Free

To the conspiracy crowd, radiation is a big Boogey Man that inspires terror and death in all who encounter it. - JayUtah

Have you read this thread?

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A person's name, or a mark representing it, as signed personally or by deputy, as in subscribing a letter or other document.

The same type of argument with another false color image. Oh, well.

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I say there is an invisible elf in my backyard. How do you prove that I am wrong?

Disclaimer: Avatar is not an official NASA image and does not imply any specific interplanetary or interstellar capability.

The Leif Ericson Cruiser

Note that Jay wrote that before Dfrank started that "suicidal" thread.

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"The facts gentlemen, and nothing but the facts, for careful eyes are narrowly watching." Isaac Asimov

And Jay wasn't the only one to compliment him before that thread.

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I say there is an invisible elf in my backyard. How do you prove that I am wrong?

Disclaimer: Avatar is not an official NASA image and does not imply any specific interplanetary or interstellar capability.

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Regardless of where he may have ended up, I defend the community compliments, wrt this thread. However much we may have seen it coming, the right thing to do was to positively acknowledge such behavior in this thread. We can only do so much, but we did the right thing Hopefully it will serve to let future CTers know that we are not raptors awaiting prey, but willing to serve reason and science to these conspiracies, and show that "I don't know", and "I was wrong", really ARE honorable answers, and acknowledged as such by the community.

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"I have this theory that the Apollo missions were faked when NASA found out that general relativity was wrong because the Earth was expanding due to the Sun's iron core being influenced by magnetic waves from the electric universe after being perturbed by Planet X and thereby causing global warming. Where should I start a thread about this?" ~ ToSeek

"Those are the people that wonder how a thermos knows whether to keep something hot or keep something cold." ~ NeoWatcher

True enough, and I don't begrudge my compliment to him. It's just disappointing to see he didn't actually get the point about "look at the picture" arguments. Given his comments to MR in another thread, it seemed that he did - but apparently his own arguments were the exception in his mind.

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I say there is an invisible elf in my backyard. How do you prove that I am wrong?

Disclaimer: Avatar is not an official NASA image and does not imply any specific interplanetary or interstellar capability.

The Leif Ericson Cruiser

I hadn't read the other thread. My comments were limited to what he had displayed in this thread. I don't withdraw them, because they are still valid for this thread and still reflect my feelings in that context.

Put simply, praise and criticism where each is due gives credibility to both. If you're always the critic or complainer, people normalize to that and stop taking you seriously. If you give both, based on sober observation, then people recognize that each is given thoughtfully and without respect to person. They'll listen to you.

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"Facts are stubborn things." --John Adams
Clavius Moon Base

As a point of clarification, the reason I referenced the other thread was that, despite all the well-deserved and kind comments and congratulations offered by BAUTers in this thread, it was obviously a sad thing what was subsequently going on in the other one.

The potential for meaningful contributions is not a good thing to lose, even if the loss is self-determined.

Oh well, on to other things.

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That's another word of wisdom from you Jay.

Hat's off!

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Jean
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"The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing." - Albert Einstein

"The good life is inspired by love and guided by knowledge " - Bertrand Russell

True .

If it weren't for that link you gave, I wouldn't have known he has mentioned my name or he's pertaining to me or someone else .(Is there another Jean in this forum? )

And seeing his attitude has worsened compare to this thread, it's an eye-opener that a person may gain his honor in accepting his mistakes however he may lose it immediately when he's not honest with his actions.

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Jean
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"The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing." - Albert Einstein

"The good life is inspired by love and guided by knowledge " - Bertrand Russell

I dont understand his attitude. He seemed to have a defiant, rude manners and attitude, several times.

In spite of the fact that I jumped on Dfranks back in the other thread for this...

I will point out something about human character.

Noone learns a lesson in a moment. It takes time for a lesson to really sink in and then once it has, a person can apply that lesson to his life.
Perhaps enough time didn't pass yet. But duely deserved compliments for taking that first step are just the encouragement needed to continue taking those steps.

Shouldn't this thread be over, now that the OP is gone?

Shame about that, too.

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This is no fantasy. No careless product of wild imagination. - Jor-El

Godspeed, John Glenn. - Scott Carpenter

And these atomic bombs that science burst upon the world that night were strange even to the men that used them.
- H.G Wells, The World Set Free

To the conspiracy crowd, radiation is a big Boogey Man that inspires terror and death in all who encounter it. - JayUtah

I would recommend that the folks here not feel guilty about their decisions. The pattern of behavior has been noted in other forums, resulting in a similar result.

Wayne

In another forum?
You mean dfrank behaves the same there and banned too?

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Jean
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"The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing." - Albert Einstein

"The good life is inspired by love and guided by knowledge " - Bertrand Russell

He's been banned from quite a few.

The last time I did that, the community started a thread in AboutBAUT wrt my moderating style. I let it go, despite Rule #17, because I thought it a pertinent discussion. I swear:

I can't win

But you ARE right Thread closed.

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"I have this theory that the Apollo missions were faked when NASA found out that general relativity was wrong because the Earth was expanding due to the Sun's iron core being influenced by magnetic waves from the electric universe after being perturbed by Planet X and thereby causing global warming. Where should I start a thread about this?" ~ ToSeek

"Those are the people that wonder how a thermos knows whether to keep something hot or keep something cold." ~ NeoWatcher