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I just showed that picture to my students - and I agree with them - it appears to be dunes and other aeolian features - can't see any water. By the way, I am a qualified climatologist and agree with Van Rijn's statement earlier in the thread: Quote:
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If NASA actually did think there was running water, why would they, in your opinion, not want to investigate it?
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Damienpaul,
Glad to have a fellow on the thread. I am sorry you misunderstood my explanation in regard to water temperature regulating water stability. I did not say that for any other reason than it is a true scientifically provable reality. With no water temperature data the real window for water to be stable would be a guess with no bases in reality. Dfrank |
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I stated they were speculation because that is all they can be. No close up study was done. I condemn NASA for not doing a close-up study of the area Why would they not investigate? In my opinion they either knew what it was based on previous studies from inside Endurance crater or another location, they are so smart that they think they can tell from just the visible data like me or they are stupid. I don’t think they are stupid. |
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Water temperature won't long be different from that of the environment surrounding it, so it is hardly a guess to point to the severe limits on liquid water in that environment.
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Do you work there? I would hope it would not be mundane. If looking around on another world would not get you jazzed up I do not know what would. If what you say is true and it is a mundane place you are right I would be disappointed. I would think it would be every scientist dream to explore another world.
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Are you saying that physics works differently on Mars?
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![]() It would be VERY EXCITING ![]() But in the way just as you said: Exploring other worlds. Not in the sense that you are finding photographic evidence of martians! |
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Van,
No the physics are not different, it is the numbers. Water temperature, -20c, -10c, -5c, 1c. Ground temperature -20c, -10c, 5c. How far does the solar heat penetrate the surface material? Could it always be -10c just a centimeter below the surface even during max heating? What would be the heat transfer rate? Would the cold ground render the solar heating moot? It is just a lot of stuff we do not know. A lot more than ambient air temp for sure. Dfrank |
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If NASA actually did think there was running water, why would they, in your opinion, not want to investigate it? You're claiming a conspiracy, presumably something about them hiding water. Why would they bother?
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Why NASA does what it does is only known by them. They have demonstrated to me they do what they do without requard to the citizens who sent them there. An explanation to the, truth of the anomaly is not something the feel a need to do. I guess they would just leave us to guess, ponder, and if they did a real good job have you follow along and not ask questions.
Even the Phoenix Lander on it way even as we speak is looking only for past life. Now why would the word it that way? http://marsprogram.jpl.nasa.gov/news...20070804a.html Dfrank |
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Dfrank - you have yet to demonstrate there IS an anolomie.
Also, you do not have the priviledge of being selective in who you reply to. You will answer every challenge posted to you. Consider this warning #2. You are running out of warnings.
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Your posts are entirely comprised of speculation. About NASA and their motives and behavior... About the photo and what's in it... Lets go to a website and LOOK at ALL the photos they make readily available. This is just ONE photo! You are being unreasonable, selfish, biased and assuming much more than logic or evidence can back up. Maybe you should step back and consider EVERYTHING that has been said by everyone in this thread And the fact that other forums got "mean" and WHY they did. Im sure you're a nice person. If we worked together Im sure we would get along. Im not attacking your character. Im attacking your tunnel vision and closed-mindedness. You reject logic and evidence in favor of one simple photo. NASA took the photo and released it quite willingly to the public. Im sure it was analyzed and re-analyzed. With MUCH MORE data than just what the eye suggests. I honestly am at a loss as to why you keep denying that. ETA: I personally have no problem with the idea of there being water on Mars. At all. I look forward to new discoveries. But that doesnt allow me to speculate wildly. These guys studied years of schooling and worked hard to get their jobs. I wish I had that job. They aren't goofy guys that cant tell when they see water. They arent hiding ANYTHING by making the photo public are they? They KNOW what they are looking at. If one of my customers acted to me like you are acting to NASA, Id storm off the jobsite in a huff. |
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If NASA actually did think there was running water, why would they, in your opinion, not want to investigate it? And your answer was: So, you don't know why they wouldn't investigate this if they agreed with your speculation. Quote:
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Whose wishes should NASA fulfil? Sibrel: Look at this rock Rene: No, look at that one White: No, no, that one Icke: Examine this lizard |
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Oh no you don't.
As the original replier to your OP, I can see that there are a host of questions (including the one I asked you in my reply) that you haven't answered yet. Answer them in a straightforward fashion with objective evidence, or admit you don't have answers. If it's the latter, then, after such an admission, conceding becomes a viable option. And hopefully a learning experience. You can't take it and go home. It's not your ball.
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I will answer your questions. I do not want anymore question on this subject. I will take me all day to try and find the ones I did not.
Maksutov 1. OK, it's a false color image of a part of the surface of Mars. The image is on Meridiani Mars taken by Opputonity Rover sol 80. 2. As you said it's a false color image. What's the problem? Are you mistaking the blue tints for water? I said it was false color because it is. True color is an opinion. The blue tint is nothing to do with water. The water in the bottom of the trench is less blue than the surface material in that filter set. I think that is it for you. |
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To think all this started because of a misinterpretation of a false color image, something that appears a lot in NASA images (examples; images of Jupiter and Saturn by the Voyagers).
I do hope you learned something here Dfrank; do not attribute to malice what can be attributed to misinterpretation.
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Grand lunar,
My interpretation was not based on false color. The anomalies show up just fine in grayscale. My concession is based on my ability to see all the questions and answer them. I am going back now and try and catch up. If I post again I will be more diligent to answer all questions no matter what. |
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Your only evidence that the feature is water is that to you it looks like water. Why did you not expect to be challenged for real evidence? I did expect it. References to my mental state and the lack of my scientific understanding I did not expect. I should have in retrospect. They locked Galileo in his house. Nice wig. |
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