I came to this forum, really to ask about members thoughts on the electric universe model--which I have very much gone off, and wasn't on it for long.

I joined last night, and noticed a thread about UFOs, which I have had interest in for quite a few years. I find it intriguing subject. But I noticed that many of the comments were short wise-cracking and flippant.
So I simply asked why, and why people were taking the p-i-s-s about it.

The moderator then unnnecessarily dissects my questions, and very coldy tells me in no uncertain terms that the subject IS absurd and those who are interested in it, or have experienced it must be 'mentally ill', and warns me to not use profanities or asterixs or else.

Since 'p-i-s-s' is even used on american tv i dont really see its shock value, though of course it was in asterix

But to my point. This moderator's attitude is what i feared joining a 'science' forum. MANY MANY times i have met this ridiculous arrogant small minded attitude when people try and discuss things not in the confines of SCIENTISM

What is scientism? Go look it up. do a google on it if you dont know. I preempt, because every one who follows this religion always asks that when you mention the term. Obviously their 'great minds' don't know everything right. Not even how to simply use the thing in front of their faces, the internet and keyboard

So, I will carry on assuming you DO know what scientism means

It is a cult. It NEVER criticises the government. Never. That is its role, because it acts as its gaurdian. And this means gaurding evil.

For example..........How many of you know that depleted uranium has been used and continues to be used against children, women and men in Iraq, which poisons waters, land, air, and damages DNA for millions of years, and is causing cancers. And that even the evil ones who are using it don't even warn their own soldiers about it? Yes it is true "Using Depleted Uranium as a Weapon" (1-3) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvCmthsTEGA

That utter insanity is really happening. But I bet this. I PREDICT this for those here who belong to the scientism cult. That you will NOT believe this, and would spend forever trying to discredit the evidence. I will put money on it. Because that is what you do. You SUPPORT a culture based on lies and evil.

You speak about science yet have totally betrayed it. What is 'science' now is corporate-led scientism. It is so-called scientists doing what they are told in their specialized fileds, making sure they get the money needed to survive so do NOT go outside the box. The era of independent scientists freely exploring reality is dead. And you lot, at forums like these, most of you not even scientists, just are blind supporters of this insanity

And speaking of 'insanity'. I have just been accused by the charming moderator of being 'mentally ill' and in need of a shrink for even wanting to explore the subject of UFOS. Moderators at forums have POWER as you will know. So his threats will have a conformist effect on the community......right? right. Well then, just say I tried to challenge the accepted view of mental illness. And assure you that I have researched this for years, and can tell you there is absolutely no evidence that so-called mental illness is a disease or disorder. NONE. What is being classified as mental illness is BEHAVIOUR deemed unacceptable. Mr moderator is illustrating this actually by pointing the finger at people who want to discuss about UFOs.
But there is ziltch freedom here, so i wouldn't even bother going into this in-depth!

errrrr, what else, before I am inevitably banned for everlastingness...?

So UFOS. You lot here will never find anything substantial out. Yes, you may expose dodgy theories like the electric universe model. But yet still stick in the same old same old box on inquiry, bounded on all sides by the scientismic method, which atrophies any imagination which is ESSENTIAL for the true, and real scientist.

See the video linked you to--IF you dare. Dig that that is showing you where scientism has led us. That and blind adhesion to dodgy myths. Be they orthodox or occultist or BOTH.

Even the anceint Greeks knew of two streams, LOGOS and MYTHOS, and how you really cannot have one without the other. If you--as many of you will here i am SURE-as-eggs--feel you are totally rational, then you are blind to your mythical side aren't you. And being blind to it it becomes poisonous and makes your rationality IRrational!

See what your culture is doing to unborn babies, babies, infants, children, youth, women, men, all species, and the very fabric of Nature

What are you going to do if you realize this. Stay here with these absurd moderators who threaten freedom to explore?

BE bold and do not conform. Find or start forums where people CAN explore all varieties of subject, including science.

That seems unlikely to me. Can you PM me telling me which thread and which moderator. Such a statement is definitely strongly against our rules of conduct. All I could see that came close was that Serenitude said that you should read the rules of the forum. This is something I'd have said too. Or perhaps you mean his quip about treating seriously people who claim to have been abducted. I don't think he was referring to you with that.

Three other notes:
- This posting got automatically moderated because new members can't post links (you linked to youtube).
- One of the rules is that complaints about moderators need to get sent privately to either another moderator or an administrator, so you don't seem to have read the rules yet, or are choosing to violate them.
- We have a rule about politics. While your discussion about depleted Uranium is something that may concern us all, it is not a topic for this forum unless you want to go to the CT section and discuss a conspiracy to hide it, or some other conspiracy.

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zeezishx,

If you wish to discuss things about astronomy in particular and science in general, please do yourself a favor and uncop the attitude.

Such posturing will do you no good.

Elimination of the ad homs will go to great lengths to get folks here to read your posts and respond with informed replies. Thus a meaningful dialog would begin, which, as is shown in various other threads, can cover any scientific topic.

Re the rules on profanity, the idea is that this board is read by many children of various ages, and we want to keep it appropriate material for such age groups.

You really need to read the BAUT FAQs and especially the board rules contained therein, and subscribe to them. Just click on the FAQ link in banner above.

As long as the attitude indicated by your posts remains "chip on the shoulder", then you're going find what you write ignored, commented on re its lack of civility, or eventually not accepted for posting.

It's your choice.

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zeezishx, BAUT is an avowedly science-based internet discussion forum, focussed on astronomy (astrophysics, cosmology) and space science.

It seems to me, from the OP of this thread, that your questions and interests intersect only marginally with BAUT's clearly stated scope and aims.

Perhaps you might be interested in a discussion forum, or section of a forum, explicitly devoted to the history and philosophy of science, such as here or here?

Before I address the OPs statements, I am going to move this to the CT forum, as the OP is claiming a gigantic, coordinated conspiracy.

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zeezishx,
I'm not sure where to start with your long posting, or even exactly what the point you are making is. I'll just make a couple of comments


Ok, I did. From the wikipedia entry:
I'm guessing you are using the pejorative sense of the word.

I'm a scientist (a chemist). I have been criticizing the government for my entire adult life, over 30 years. I know all about depleted uranium (in fact, a little search by you will find a extensive past discussion here about it). I belong to several professional and scientific organizations who have also criticized various government actions. So what is your point?

This isn't a democracy. This is a privately owned enterprise, supported by our two administrators, the BA and Fraser. Their money pays for the website and the hosting. They are actually very benevolent hosts, they just ask people to follow some rules. But, if you don't like it, the internet is a big place.

Ok, well I guess that means your leaving. Thanks for stopping by.

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Then the CT forum should be an interesting place for you, if you can tone down the attitude and remove the chip from your shoulder

As they tend to be after a thread has run it's natural course. The regulars will have some fellowship. The cases trying to link Aliens+Unidentified Flying Objects tend to be silly in the long run anyway.

Nothing wrong with that.

The moderator, and many other members of this board, prefer the dissection method, to address individual points without breaking up the flow of the original post. It is a valid and effective style, and entirely acceptable in the context of your post.

'Coldness', and 'no uncertain terms', were both read into the post by you, understandable given your attitude. However, there is something you should know, that may make us a little different than many boards you've been to. It is this:

I am only considered 'unquestionable authority' in matters pertaining to the running of this board. In ALL other areas, I am overrulable, questionable, correctable, etc... like any other member of this board. And no, there are no hard feelings. It happens all the time. Sometimes they are minor nits, and sometimes I get something fundamentally wrong, and am corrected to the correct science by a fellow board member. I enjoy that, and wouldn't be a moderator if that worked in any other way.

So, when I (or any other moderator) am not making a forum ruling, you can challenge my idea, hypothesis, statement, etc... just like any other forum member. Keep that in mind.

Here I must take great personal exception. You are lying here, sir, and intentionally, to impugn my character. I neither said, nor implied, anything of the sort. My comment is a matter of public record, unedited, in this same forum. What I said in reality (ie; not zeezishx's misrepresentation) is that someone who has experienced abduction phenomena needs the help of a qualified mental health counselor of some sort, because there are a variety of phsycial and psycho/social mechanisms that can totally account for the abduction experience.

Not ONCE, EVER, have I EVER posted that those who are interested in the UFO phenomena must be mentally ill. NOR have I EVER, ONCE, posted that that 'abductees' are mentally ill. EVER. It is entirely possible to benefit from the services of a qualified professional without being 'mentally ill'.

I DEMAND that you retract this intentional lie and slander on my character.

Be that as it may, it is still on the list of words we do not wish used here. You may either abide by these rules, or stop posting here.

Ad-hominems. I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt today, but you're making my job difficult. You neither know me nor anything about me. Your whole point of contention and judgement of my character, mind-set, and lifestyle is a gentle reminder to not use the a vulgar form of the word for urine.

So, given that biased sample, you will demonstrate for me the logic you used to generate this personality template for me. You will use cites, documents, and note the specific criteria where relevant. If you cannot do this, you will retract this statement as an uninformed personal attack made in ignorance of the subject.

You don't honestly think you're the first person to throw 'scientism' in our faces, do you? Or to accuse us of being blind, gubmint (tm) /industrial complex stooges? It's the standard way out, straight from the woo-woo handbook We're used to it.

Already discussed here (and fairly debunked) LOOOOOOOOONG before you came around. We not only dare to watch, we've been there, done that, and we all have the t-shirt.

Evidence, please.

I'm curious. Please, in your own words, define 'science'. And why it's not adequate today.

Evidence, please.

Oh, one of my favorites! "For those that have eyes to see..." So, we don't automatically and blindly, without some sort of evidence, support your fringe causes, so we must be scientizmists, blind idiots, in the hands of the gubmint, military/industrial complex?

Thank you. I like to think of myself as charming, also As to the rest, please see my above statement on how you have purposefully misrepresented what I actually stated in order to further your martyrdom complex. I stated no such thing. Again, the "threat" you refer to was a simple reminder to not use words on the blocked list. So, yes, I guess you are correct. My broad, vast abuse of powers will have the devastating, cascade effect of eliminating the word for urine you used from pop-culture. Yay me, I guess

If there is 'zilch freedom' here, why are your posts preserved, unedited, and why am I responding to them? Or is your definition of "zilch" defined, again, by not being able to use 1 particular word on a family-freindly forum?

Over-reaction, a tad, maybe?

If you are looking for the fabled "I got banned from BAUT" martyrdom woo-woo badge, you're well on your way, but again, I would emplore you to relax, take a walk, re-ascess your situation and you complete and unfounded over-reaction to it, and continue to enjoy these boards, bound by the same rules that moderators and members alike are.

Translation - I don't actually know what it means to be a 'real scientist', but you'll never believe that aliens are piloting UFOs if you keep being skeptical and demand evidence and all that other stuff.

As I said above - we've been there, done that, got the t-shirt.

Toss in some Drama 101 and some Carl Jung here.

Toss in some Fluffy Bunny stuff here.

That's right. Get in the way of my plans for world domination and you may find yourself crushed, just like zeezishx here. Sorry, but this gets wearying as I go through this massive, nonsense-filled rant

Yes - Enterprise Mission can always use another questioning mind!!

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"Those are the people that wonder how a thermos knows whether to keep something hot or keep something cold." ~ NeoWatcher

But I noticed that many of the comments were short wise-cracking and flippant.

The whole thread was flippant. It was meant to point out that in a larger perspective, unexplained sightings attributed to alien spacecraft seem to follow trends in popular culture and literature. This would suggest that interpretations of those events are being guided by them, which further suggests we should take those interpretations with a grain of salt.

To be fair, that's not a good thread by which to judge this board's overall approach to UFO phenomena. If you look more closely, you will find many threads in which individual UFO encounters are discussed reasonably dispassionately, and with appropriate respect paid to people who report them. We have had several posters here who have claimed to see unexplained events, and they were treated with respect and genuine interest.

The moderator then unnnecessarily dissects my questions...

Dissection is the norm at this board, so while it's not strictly necessary, it is to be expected. As a new poster you may not be accustomed to such a level of scrutiny.

...those who are interested in it, or have experienced it must be 'mentally ill'

Actually, my reading of Serenitude's post suggests he was talking only about the sighters, not all who are interested in UFOs. I'm interested too, but I'm just not as eager to attribute them to alien visitors. There is a difference between interest in the phenomena and the belief in the alien-visitor attriubtion.

...warns me to not use profanities or asterixs or else.

That's his function. As a new poster you are given leeway in understing our rules for decorum, but expected to conform to them in short order as a condition of continued participation.

Since 'p-i-s-s' is even used on american tv i dont really see its shock value...

Irrelevant. Not everything that's allowed on American TV is allowed here.

Obviously their 'great minds' don't know everything right.

One doesn't need to know everything in order to be able to reject certain explanations as highly improbable.

It is a cult. It NEVER criticises the government. Never. That is its role, because it acts as its gaurdian. And this means gaurding evil.

You assume we are biased in this particular way.

There are indeed people who fear or distrust authority for various reasons. They may even have good reasons. But they tend to look for ammunition that puts a psuedo-intellectual veneer over their hatred and fear. That ammunition takes the form of testable claims that they believe illustrate the evil and injustice they perceive.

But when people test the claims and come up with a different answer, or object to some topic being used as ammunition in this way, invariably those arguments are dismissed without further thought as defense of the social and political Powers That Be. Because the initial proponents are motivated by distrust, they merely assume that any who oppose them must naturally be motivated by the opposite of their motivation.

In fact you have co-opted science in order to fight your social battle, and there are those who oppose the use of science in this way, but have no opinion on the social issues you want to apply them to.

For example...

Yes, many people purport to judge someone's "objectivity" according to a litmus test based on some other controversial claim.

You SUPPORT a culture based on lies and evil.

No, we support a point of view based on objective and complete examination of the facts and an application of sound reasoning. When applied to UFO claims, the claims fall short. Your rush to lump us in with psuedoscience's conception of its sworn enemy is quite blatantly a knee-jerk reaction for which you don't seem to have any evidence.

And you lot, at forums like these, most of you not even scientists, just are blind supporters of this insanity.

What about those of us who are scientists and who have given our scientific reasons.

I have just been accused by the charming moderator of being 'mentally ill' and in need of a shrink for even wanting to explore the subject of UFOS.

No, you haven't.

But you seem aggressively interested in believing that you have, and in being rejected by this group.

But there is ziltch freedom here, so i wouldn't even bother going into this in-depth!

Other posters of controversial claims manage to get along just fine. Maybe it's just you.

That and blind adhesion to dodgy myths.

You trust your life every day to those "dodgy myths." Those of us who have labored intensively to learn the behavior of the universe and who sign our personal reputations legally on the line attesting to the skill with which we have done so in the pursuit of your safety and convenience would rather you thanked us rather than heaped scorn upon us.

BE bold and do not conform.

You're welcome not to conform to the laws of the universe, if you can manage it.

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you guys can be so mean sometimes..
every time someone comes here with superior knowledge about how things really work, you dissect their posts line for line in order to discredit them in front of the ignorant masses for what can only be your amusement and the continuation of the GREAT LIE tm.
at the very least, instead of piling on, you could do the good cop/bad cop thing. if you want, i could be the good cop..

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novaderrik, by holding the alt key and typing 0153 you will get the ™ you are looking for.

I will expect your ignorance to now be abated and further posts will employ the use of ALT codes when applicable.

Consider this your first warning.

You forgot to capitalize the letter "I" in your statemenet when your referred to yourself.
A good cop would never have made such an error.

i never use the big "I" when referring to myself. i'm just lazy that way.
good cops don't need to know how to do all the fancy computer stuff.. if anything, if a "good cop" were to make everything too perfect, it would take away from the whole "i'm on your side, really" aspect of being the good cop.

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a God cop is already perfect.

ETA: Awwwww... drat you edited it!

sorry..

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It is a cult. It NEVER criticises the government. Never. That is its role, because it acts as its gaurdian. And this means gaurding evil.

You mean like the NASA scientist (James Hansen) who has been a long-time proponent of man-made causes of global warming, who a political appointee tried to censor? Or the former Surgeon General who criticized the Administration for imposing political views on his medical opinions? Or the many other scientists who regularly criticize the government? I'm not trying to get into non-space-related items here, just pointing out that your claim is falsified by the evidence.

For example..........How many of you know that depleted uranium has been used and continues to be used against children, women and men in Iraq, which poisons waters, land, air, and damages DNA for millions of years, and is causing cancers. And that even the evil ones who are using it don't even warn their own soldiers about it? Yes it is true "Using Depleted Uranium as a Weapon" (1-3) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvCmthsTEGA

DU has been discussed here (pre-rules-revision) and elsewhere, such as the apollohoax forum where many of the regulars here hang out, As it's OT for this forum, I won't get into it, but I'll will ask you which you are more concerned about: (?) tons of DU munitions expended to date, or the thousands of tons of uranium released into the air every year by coal-fired power plants?

That utter insanity is really happening. But I bet this. I PREDICT this for those here who belong to the scientism cult. That you will NOT believe this, and would spend forever trying to discredit the evidence. I will put money on it. Because that is what you do. You SUPPORT a culture based on lies and evil.

No, I do not. I support a culture which looks rationally at the world around it.

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What are you going to do if you realize this. Stay here with these absurd moderators who threaten freedom to explore?

You are free to discuss any science-related question in the appropriate forum, or any space-related conspiracy question in this forum. All you need to do is provide evidence for your claims. If you don't care to provide such evidence, don't whine about the forum rules; post in a forum where people are more willing to accept handwaving and melodrama as "evidence".

BE bold and do not conform. Find or start forums where people CAN explore all varieties of subject, including science.

I don't conform to the popular notion that all ideas are equally valid, nor that sloppy thinking and bad metaphysics are subjects of profound interest. If I felt that way, I am well aware there are a virtually unlimited number of Internet fora for uncritical acceptance and exchange of YouTube links.

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You can talk about UFOs here. I was a closeminded hardcore believer a few years ago, and i can say that joining BAT was really good thing to do. You can post about UFOs in decent threads and try to avoid shameful and painful to read ones like this.

If anyone takes the UFO matter with ridiculization and constant laugh, its his problem. He is the one who is the totally opossite to a scientific man, because he is ridiculizing the possibility, improbable or not, of alien life.

Isn't "scientism" the thing that Tom Cruise is into?
I think you're confused Zeezishx; none of that stuff going on here.

Skeptics are allowed to have fun with subject matters, you know. UFOs are really a serious topic. To us, at least. Certainly no longer to me.

EVERYONE is subject to this. I experienced this myself once. I feel I'm better for it.
If you can't take criticism, then don't invite it.


I mainly know it's what Tom Cruise and others follow.
What has it to do with BAUT?

If you refer to us, you are very, VERY wrong.
Note the criticism the BA gives the Bush administration. Note the dislike over the anti-science attitude that is working it's poison into science classes.

This has been delt with before the revision to the conspiracy theory forum was made. It's even been discussed elsewhere.
I won't discuss it here for two reasons; one, the revision to subject matters. Two, I've had enough of this sob story.

How so? Get off your moral high horse and cite examples.

Baseless ranting and uninformed opinions noted. Next.

If you truly believe that, you must be a different forum than the rest of us are.

The main things I see you'll be banned for is making baseless accusations and pointless slander.

Aside from finding out what phenomenon of the sky people get confused about, you're right about that.

Ah, an ad hom to boot, directed toward moderators.
There's plenty of freedom to explore. No one is stopping it. Where are you seeing this happening? Do you call being asked to provide proof as a lack of freedom?


That forum is right here, than you. It simply doesn't meet YOUR expectations.

And we don't conform here. I, for one, have disagreements with another user, one fairly well known, about the new spacecraft being built.
Nor do I conform with the govt. I loath Bush and his administration. I loath the descision made that killed the Apollo program. We could've been on Mars by now had we kept up that momentum.

I suggest you cool off for a while. This forum isn't what YOU make it out to be.

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I think,
and it hurts...
but I think that is Scientology...

zeezishx came to BAUT and asked one question "is it true that universe has 99.9 of plasma". I can not think of a more mainstream question, for which he was effectively read the riot act, and the thread shut down.

And zeezishx has an attitude?

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He/she had the attitude before starting the thread.

I can not think of a more mainstream question, for which he was effectively read the riot act, and the thread shut down.

I disagree strongly with your characterization of that thread. The moderator politely pointed out that he was welcome to contribute to the existing relevant threads, but that there was no need to start a new one. That sort of editorialism is why we have moderators. The original poster also received a handful of dispassionate, informative responses discussing the content of his post. In fact, in my interpretation the first non-factual post in that thread came from you. I see no evidence whatsoever that he was treated disrespectfully in that thread.

The exchange that prompted this thread you're now reading occurred in the Conspiracy section, where Zeezishx dropped into the middle of a conversation and criticized its participants for having an improperly skeptical attitude toward UFO sightings. Then he accused everyone here of being little more than government stooges, exaggerated the criticism he had received, and has subsequently failed to address the evidence that disputes his characterization.

Yes, I'd say he has an attitude.

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Normally; I would say yes, but there was one major clue in that post that indicated what zeezishx knew what the attitudes would be.

Just how much could the information have changed without hearing it all over the news?

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He was asking a question on standard mainstream astrophysical plasmas that belonged no more in a thread on the Electric Universe, than a thread on the "composition of the universe".

Why do you say that my response is non-factual? Is the Sun not 100% plasma?

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Someone notify the sky marshals. I sense we're about to experience a hijacking attempt.

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Just my two -bits:

Iantresman, Im usually the first one to jump up and down when I think I saw something wrong.

So from my own experience I can tell you...and I was there when all this happened.

Read the thread "What happened to all the UFO's?"

That post was prior to the starting of the ATM thread.

The individual in question was invited then offered to read up on existing information and then has the opportunity to expand on that. The individual seemed to choose not to.

The individual , in spite of severe verbal abuse to a moderator and a long ranting post was not only not banned as this individual predicted, but kindly asked to calm down and be rational.
This individual still can post here. Thats pretty nice!
On top of that (didn't think it could get better right?)
This individual may PM a Mod at any time to request to reopen that thread.
Its not slammed shut.

Relax, take a deep breath...
Read back a few posts and you will see what really happened and that BAUT went above and beyond to be fair.

I have no desire to hijack a thread. If you wish to move my post elsewhere for discussion, or you would prefer I discuss this by private message, then let me know. I prefer to discuss matters in the open where we are all accountable to everyone.

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That's kind of hard to reconcile with this bitwhich contains a link to your own "plasma universe" webpage.The matter in the open here is "scientism" (whatever that may be, apparently defined by the context as a "conspiracy of scientists"), not your speculations about an "electric universe".

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Maybe you missed this article by Nereid over in Against the Mainstream.

I suspect that probably means a thread about Scientism in Conspiracy Theories isn't the place to discuss policy, too.

Follow this link to About BAUT. Thanks. Good luck.

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Why is it that in your argument you completely ignore the rest of zeezishx's post??

Read the entire post again, and tell us that "z" didn't come here aleady "sporting" a MAJOR "attitude".

What I'd really like is if you could discuss all of this rationally, but I'm beginning to have my doubts if that is possible.

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Iantresman, What has this got to do with the OP of this thread? If this isn't a hijack i don't know what is!

Why didn't you start a thread of your own about this in the right Forum? or PM the Mods concerned?

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