If I remember correctly, there was Twilight Zone episode about the same time, wherein, a trio of Aliens try to look like DrugStore Cowboys of the 50's complete with the dark glasses and leather jackets......

Dale

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I think we are saying different things. I was saying that disproving one explanation is not good enough to prove a second explanation. For the second explanation to be proven, you need evidence for that explanation.

You appear to be saying that in order for the alien explanation to be taken seriously, there must be a way to falsify it - not just by proving it was something else, but a way to show it couldn't be aliens, which requires knowing something about aliens in order to evaluate the behavior against.

I think those are different points.

Other governments are taking the phenomena with an ongoing investigation, like the new GEPAIN proyect by the French governments.

GEIPAN:

GEIPAN[1] (sept. 2005-), formerly known as GEPAN[2] (1977-1988) and SEPRA[3] (1988-2004), is a unit of the French Space Agency CNES whose brief is to investigate unidentified aerospace phenomena (UAP)[4] and make its findings available to the public.

The French Gendarmerie was instructed to channel data from reports of UFO sightings to SEPRA, which therefore was in a position to draw on a large database of such events. In cases where physical traces appeared to be present, SEPRA could call on the technical resources of CNES to perform a thorough scientific investigation. A famous example of such an investigation was in the Trans-en-Provence Case.

In march 2007, GEIPAN started to made its archives available online to everyone.

That is exactly the kind of investigation that this phenomena diserves.

Sorry for my english.

That is exactly the kind of investigation that this phenomena diserves.

What about the phenomenon makes it deserve it?

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Exactly what did it produce? The same thing that Bluebook and others produced. Absolutely nothing. Plenty of mysteries but no conclusions. As for the TEP case, a rebuttal occurred in the book UFOs: 1947-1997. The whole case revolved around one lone eyewitness. Not very convincing if you ask me.

What the Blue Book project produced was a coverup and smokescreen and thousands of documents. Documents where the text was 90% blacked out. That's quite a problem when trying to validate something. It's obvious they don't want the truth revealed to the public. Someday they will find a way to reveal the text under these blacked out documents with the use of digital photography and multi-spectral imaging or some other method.

Really? 90% blacked out? I think you are confusing a lot of things. The bluebook records are all available on-line and have been available to researchers since the 1970s. The 90% figure you are talking about has to do with the NSA documents that Stan F. waives about at his lectures and on TV. Of course, he does not tell you that P. Klass got most of them released in the 1990s! You can read about that here:

http://www.space.com/sciencefiction/...sa_000113.html

As a result, you don't have to get the "blacked out documents" digitally enhanced. There wasn't anything in the documents that was compelling. The reason for the blacking out had more to do with the ability of the US to listen in on soviet secure radio communications!

It's amazing what just a modicum of actual research will produce, vs. merely just regurgitating Stanton's handwaiving gunk

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"Those are the people that wonder how a thermos knows whether to keep something hot or keep something cold." ~ NeoWatcher

Now, as an old rock climber, I have to say, don't go around putting down the Gunks!

It does, however, get irksome seeing Friedman being trotted out as an "qualified authority" during the various woowoo shows I've seen on channels that should be ashamed to play this stuff. You know which ones.

You have to love the chutzpah that is his homepage. The first column has a portrait. Directly under that is this:It's how Nucular Physicists make money.

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Hey, I'm not saying governments don't redact (black out) information - of course they do. In fact, under the HIPPA act (has to do with health care) if they do release medical information (very difficult), it's heavily redacted.

Follow the link. Does that have anything to do with UFOs? Of course not. And it's clear from the context that the information that was redacted involves a location, the people doing the investigation (they never reveal who does classified work to reduce the liklihood of extortion (the enemy trying to get at them through their families)). The other information that's redacted is again, a location, a front for the money, and the director of the hospital.

Any time a classified document is released to the public, all classified portions of the document will be redacted. That's up until the document is no longer classified.

HOWEVER: If the document contains names of people, institutions, etc., who're either still involved in classified work, or who might possess as of yet unclassified information, or people who were medical subjects, etc., that will be redacted too.

Get over it and stop wrongly believing there's some UFO/Hoax coverup.

Sheesh!

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Whoever says "perception is reality" is daft. It's merely an abstraction, and often not a very good one.

In fact, under the HIPPA act (has to do with health care) if they do release medical information (very difficult), it's heavily redacted.

HIPAA, to spell it precisely. I'm doing some contract work on the side reviewing some software architectures for a HIPAA-regulated high-availability system. Wow. I mean, wow. The security hoops that have to be jumped through to ensure patient privacy are actually more stringent than Department of Energy access requirements. Stuff that has to be redacted is redacted for no other reason than regulation. It's not "juicy" information; it's just not allowed to be made public. Anyone who inferred from blacked-out medical information that a person had some serious medical condition would almost certainly be wrong.

(Gad, who invented X12?)

Any time a classified document is released to the public, all classified portions of the document will be redacted. That's up until the document is no longer classified.

The Apollo mission debriefings were classifed until a few years ago not because they held deep dark government secrets, but because the astronauts discussed their health and personal habits. While it's okay for NASA to know that information, it's considered private when the rest of the nation is concerned. The entire world has no business knowing about Buzz Aldrin's bowel movements.

My experience with classification and classified information has been that guesses regarding what was classified and why are always wrong. I have yet to guess, or have heard a guess, regarding classified information that turned out to be right, or even close.

The argument "this document is redacted therefore the gubbermunt doesn't want us to know the real truth," is a whole lot of sensationalist handwaving.

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Sadly, if a fan of space-alien visitation obtained an unsupportive government document that didn't have any portions redacted, they'd probably denounce it as a fake, because the government just has to be covering up the existence of space-alien visitors.

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I have not-so-fond memories of having to get written permission from patients, pre-surgery, to be able to discuss results with thier spouses during the patient's recovery. Gotta love HIPAA

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"Those are the people that wonder how a thermos knows whether to keep something hot or keep something cold." ~ NeoWatcher

The thing about the "fans of space aliens" is that they know from the onset what will be "found"...alien visitors. The fact that they "twist" existing evidence so it appears that their conclusion is correct doesn't bother them in the least. Those who would reach conclusions before any evidence is examined should not be surprised when others take them to "task" for it as it is simply the wrong way to go about finding answers.

Why would you choose to climb old rocks?...were there no new ones available?

Well; ya gotta admit, there's not a whole lot of new ones occuring naturally.

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If you are talking about EDI, what drives me batty is the variety of ways a given EDI standard can be interpreted and used (and abused) by trading partners.