Thus kai.. The enemy of My enemy... is therefore... My friend!

;-)

Think deeply... about what I have been trying to say & show! Read back. Hear & see all links! Read my words on this issues.

Then look back.... to HIM!!!

This aint about what you think, if real or fake.

Of course it is. You keep telling us we're getting the wrong answer, that we haven't proved anything, that we're ignoring the obvious, and that we're going to get ours when your great and terrible truth is finally revealed. The vast majority of all your posts is exactly that sort of baseless bluster. Obviously, for you it's about what we think and why you believe you can prove what we think is wrong. Your thesis from the very begin was that we, as instruments of or adherents to the "policy" would reap a terrible revenge for our participation. It has never stopped being about what we think and why you say it's wrong.

Out of respect for him...

Experts who hide behind third-rate web sites do not deserve respect. He doesn't exist until you substantiate that he does. It is clear that you will not reveal his name, which again leads me to believe there is no such person. It is inexcusable for you to demand that we read the "preliminary report" and accept it as the learned opinion of someone intimately involved with the conspiracy you say exists, without some evidence that he is who he says he is. There is nothing in that "report" that deviates from your unique personal claims, and nothing that cannot have been written by anyone with an overactive imagination. There is no internal credibility, and you refuse to provide any external credibility.

One way or the other, we will get to the Truth!

Not by your way. You simply pay no attention to information that contradicts your predetermined belief. That is not a path to truth.

Utah?? It is posts & comments like that which is why I do not reply to you respectfully. You show none, you get none from me.

You don't respond to me at all, even when requests have been made respectfully. Now the requests are being made directly and urgently in hopes that you will feel obliged to reply. You may reply, or you may suffer the increased urgency from me. Your choice. You have demonstrated your unwillingness to cooperate in an investigation of your claims and have foregone most expectations of leniency or affability.

But I do believe they are real.

Then you are simply defying the facts that contradict your belief. You admit the counterevidence exists; but you simply choose not to regard it. This is how we know you are lying when you say you are looking for the truth. The only question then is what you are looking for.

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whenever i try to read one of MR's posts, all i see is "all your Face are belong to us" over and over and over again..

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MR - you have, until 1:00 AM Eastern time, to provide the name of your source, verify the sources of the pictures, and address the fact that the photographs have been doctored.

If you do not address these issues, and others brought forth by the community members, you will be banned for life.

Your banning will not be because we cannot handle the truth, but because you consistently fail to present it.

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MarsRevealer why don´t you answer the questions?

Did you contact the production people of Sightings to find more data of the pics, to know if they were made up o anything like that?

Now, now.

Concerning Mr. Hoagland, I don't agree with his views but to say I don't like the man, well, that's going a little far. Until I've met someone, had correspondence with them, or seen recordings of them more than once or twice, I never say that I don't like someone. Mr. Hoagland may be a delightful human being. On the other side of that coin, there are those that I do agree with but they may be vile individuals in real life situations.

Did you contact the production people of Sightings to find more data of the pics, to know if they were made up o anything like that?

For the record, that is also a question I asked and a question for which I would like an answer, if the moderators agree: simply whether MarsRevealer attempted to contact the production company that produced the film and ascertain from them where they obtained the photographs.

From what I can tell, MarsRevealer made no attempt to investigate in a straightforward manner where the subject photographs came from.

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Hahahahahahahaha!
I was being a mite sarcastic with that "we don't like him" compliment. This is also sarcasm:
Look at him? No thanks, he might fry me with Sith Lightning.

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You know what is really funny?? Is that this forum is also called CONSPRIACY THEORIES!!

Now why have this format & forum for CONSPIRACY THEORIES if your actions & attitudes reflect outside of this genre??

If ya can't handle it or not want it,... WHY IS IT HERE??? :-/

This is a legitamate question.

Serenitude, I will NOT get MOVED by your threats bro! Do what you will do anyway! If It aint cool to come here & post I just will not. Selective gestapo! In Conspiracy Theories! :-/

I said what I said already regarding this all, & I am presenting & giving information. Information which I alredy given & Linked, that would ANSWER some of the amazing questions thrown to me you wish me to answer. :-/

Your not in control of this investigation. So do what you REALLY WANNA DO & BAN ME!

It is unjust & uncool, but such as it is..... :-/

Like this.. amazing piece of work...
You said...
"MR - you have, until 1:00 AM Eastern time, to provide the name of your source, verify the sources of the pictures, and address the fact that the photographs have been doctored."

MR:
Ummmm.. Yeah. Rite! For the 1st one,.... I am already working on thst still for the second,... I have addressed this, & is in fact being addressed already, by YOU & many else, & even speculated upon in the PRELIMINARY REPORT!

Youz obviously not like what you seen. Yet it was balanced & fair & included some of all your concerns. I am not nor will NOT break my trust with this INSIDER, for YOU or anyone else! Why do you have such an issue with this??? Oh.. because I will NOT address what YOU want me & all else to think & feel? That these have been doctored?? Pleeeeze! I seen the issues & points raised, it was NOT convincing enough for me. My opinion. Big Deal!

This is again,.. CONSPIRACY THEORIES!! So,.. these things anyway NEVER gove ya what YOU want right??? Your harassing me & taunting & bullying. In the only place, that YOU can! ;-)

You also read in the report there is NO evidence to say for sure, they are doctored!!! In fact, more emphasis was leading more toward authenticity! THAT IS WHAT YOU... HAVE A PROBLEM WITH!!! As many else for both sides... of this ahem... Intelligent Discussion!

Take this really amazing interesting piece of work of intelligent caliber...

Orion... You said...
"MarsRevealer why don´t you answer the questions?
Did you contact the production people of Sightings to find more data of the pics, to know if they were made up o anything like that?"

MR:
Ummmmm.. Because I already DID! This by the way I shown was NOT SIGHTINGS!! This NOT ever... EVER... was on Sightings!!! Nor can be compared to what this THING... really is! That these images came from!

Your other question is amazing also. Not only in the answer, but in the fact your NOT reading the past post replies in this thread where I spoken, & linked to things that should already make you clear on the FACTS I am trying to present.

So who is fooling who?? :-/

But I will REFRESH YOUR MEMORIES!

http://martianrevelationradioshow.bl...incidence.html

& then... LISTEN & READ here... For your answer/s you seek! be ready for the Punchlines to this all! Their own words! Hear them yourselves!!!

Yet,.. someone has failed to appear... Hmmmmmm...

http://www.martianrevelation.com/Clips4Show.html

Then Hear & read also...

http://www.martianrevelation.com/Clips4Show2.html

Now... Serenitude,.. This is also amazing piece of work. You said...
"Your banning will not be because we cannot handle the truth, but because you consistently fail to present it."

MR:
No, My banning will be because your not able to handle the topic of conspiracy theories, true or false, even when I consistently provided information You either chosen NOT to see or even read what I had to say.
It is clear & obvious.

Utah, with all that NONSENSE (yet understandable) you spoken, I see what your trying to say. However, take it as you want. If & when the time comes this person wants to be named,.. He will be. We have some information, which is what counts for now. Not believe it or him?? Then Look it up in mission history with those Involved, & ask! WORK on showing your anger by doing what I am doing. Investigating. ;-)

Then you will have your INTERNAL CREDIBILITY! If your guy says something Untrue, that this source says is true, about the mission & objectives, then that can be something. :-)

I would love to see that outcome also, so I in fact encourage you to do so. ;-)

Now as far as external credibility also is involved, you REALLY need to click & read & hear those links provided! ;-) That is 2 right there for yee!!!

Which many for some reason or another, wish to ignore!! Especially... The MOST IMPORTANT ONE needing to address this all.... Super Hoagy!

You also say Utah..
"Then you are simply defying the facts that contradict your belief."

MR:
yeah... Rite! This is coming from a guy who NOT sees or knows what I am speaking about in terms of external sources being put forth as EVIDENCE, to my extraordinary claims! I am looking for the truth,.. as well as something MORE! PAYBACK!!!!

The enemy of My Enemy.. is Therefore.. My Friend!! Draw Him Out for me & I swear,.. You will have all the answers you need & want & will also get to gleefully gloat in your ememies Face regarding this which HE not wishes to be seen or in any way shape pr form,.. connected to these images, or those involved in CREATING THIS!!!

How dare any of YOU who THINK I have not done some homework on this!! Still doing more as I am Not completed yet in my investigation. That does NOT mean I can NOT use YOU to my advantage, as well as to help you make a solid case against him as youz all try doing all these years. NOW... I offer YOU information & a tool, to do your stuffs.

I know exactly what I am doing. He knew also exactly what HE WAS DOING!! In regards to me,. & how he handled me, trying to PREVENT ME from showing this PHOTOGRAPH taken of him inside this code!! WHY??? What does he have to hide??? These faces?? or much... Much... Morrrreee????

Not this any of it make any of you curious??? Your all such bright educated degreed guys. Surely you can SEE & HEAR... The irony & honesty in my words??

I am looking for MY OWN reasons.. & what I seek, is much more than you will understand or even wanna hear! mainly you will NOT believe it. But I must consider it. :-/

But yes, I do want the Truth! Plus.. PayBack!!!

The reasons many of YOU not like RCH, is NOT the same as to why I have issues with him! he KNOWS How I feel about him & needs not be addressed to any of you. He knows also why I am doing what I must do, as he feels he had to do to me!

I also want... THESE FACES IMAGES!!!

I am being over run & banned from a conspiracy Theories forum by people that encourage these topics to take place, but wanna whine & cry cause this burger they cannot have THEIR WAY! What conspiracy theory is EVER YOUR WAY?? There would be NO Theories then at all then right???

So I am steppin up.. I am puttin up My Conspiracy Theory,.. & feel the effects it produces!! Now you wish not to deal with it??

I am NOT insulting anyone or demeaning their charectar, nor am I being rude & attacking any of you. I give what I get & I not care where or who I am in front of. That not flies with me anywhere!

You threaten punishment. because you cannot handle the CONSPIRACY THEORY Presented unto you all, as THE FACES OF MARS!! Truely I say, These are OMENS FROM THE PAST!!! ;-)

Including my own......
What do I want??? If you only can guess or even understand....

So.. Only I will say this... Go back any & ALL, re-read or for the 1st time,... READ all I written, linked, etc....

Then go over some of this BS again, to see who is really paying attention, & who is NOT!

The only one here at attention, is Myself! A couple I see have potential. Many remain unspoken. I can feel thier support vibes, & also I can feel the scorn& the ill thoughts as well coming from those reading this all.

That is ok.

It is called DIVERSITY! It is what modern civilization supposed to represent right??? :-)

So NOW I have addressed your concerns,... Just because I do not reply to any individual or post, & all, not means I have NOT seen what has been put forth. Not wet your pampers ok??!!

Your supposed.. to be more intelligent than myself.. remember? :-/

Yet you cannot handle a conspiracy theory when indeed, it turns out to be REAL especially!!!!

fake or not also,.. one must come to conclusions with at least many questions that should be asked & answered. NOT all from me neither! I do NOT have all the answers... But am working hard on getting them!!! I also have one really nice one. :-) Till the time is right.

That is how investigation goes. Ya know?? One must build a case before they present the facts right? I am doing so & showing you all the case file in some of it's details inside!

yet I am the one being subversive or fraudulent or lying??? :-/ Gimme a break. People have their own common sense to see & judge & also take notes. ;-)
As I said, I already gained what some reasons why I came here.

So what is really wrong with my presence in this CONSPIRACY Forum???
;-)

Oh.. It is just that I am here in this forum.. & many not like or want that at all.

Including YOUR enemy.. SUPER HOAGY!! Think about that. You will, if you listen to my advice, see & listen & read my links & words.

Plus your attentions have been raised to this CONSPIRACY CASE of the FACES OF MARS!!!


Utah... yet ANOTHER Highly Intelligent Piece of Work! I am sure we are all Impressed!
You said...
"From what I can tell, MarsRevealer made no attempt to investigate in a straightforward manner where the subject photographs came from."

MR:
Ummm.. I think all I need to say is Nuff Said??? Need I say More???
Who looks more justifiable here??? How straitforward do I need to get?? When that answer has been given LONG AGO!!

Cause your already showing yourself to be wayyy behind. In more ways than one. hee hee hee... ;-)

MARS REVEALER

With your writing style? You're right!

I have no wish to enter this debate, as it is clearly a freight train hurtling toward a terminus sans brakes. However, based on the quotes above I must ask the question of MR: are you a descendant of The Amazing Criswell?

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Now why have this format & forum for CONSPIRACY THEORIES if your actions & attitudes reflect outside of this genre??

It's a forum where conspiracy theories are tested against evidence. It's not a forum where people pat themselves on each other's backs about how clever and far-reaching their conspiracy theories are. Your theory is being tested according to the evidence and falling very short.

Your not in control of this investigation.

Apparently neither are you. It isn't progressing beyond rhetoric, and you're ignoring facts that don't conform to your belief. You're simply trying to build the appearance of a case for your preconceived belief that will hold up as long as your audience isn't very bright.

I am not nor will NOT break my trust with this INSIDER...

You have the burden to prove he is not a figment of your imagination. If he is to be taken as some sort of inside figure, the proof of that stature is his idependently-verifiable identity.

You also read in the report there is NO evidence to say for sure, they are doctored!!!

Conclusive evidence has been presented. You simply refuse to face it.

Ummmmm.. Because I already DID!

Confirm you are claiming you did contact the producers of the television program in which your three photographs appear. Did they confirm or deny your claim that the three pictures were given to them as "deep background," being legitimate Mars photographs as you claim? What exactly did you ask, and what exactly was their answer?

That these images came from!

You have the burden to prove your claim that the three photographs showing additional Cydonia-like faces are legitimate Mars photography that someone else can obtain from the common repositories without your intervention. Screen captures of a broadcast television program are not a documented provenance.

...even when I consistently provided information You either chosen NOT to see or even read what I had to say.

You have not provided a single bit of information I have asked for. You have further explicitly refused to provide the most important bit of information regarding to your "preliminary report" -- the identity of its supposedly uniquely qualified author.

I will not read the mounds of conjecture you have piled upon your premise that the three photos are real. I first require proof of the provenance and legitimacy of your key evidence before I study your heap of speculation. Without proof of the authenticity of the key evidence, the story is useless.

Utah, with all that NONSENSE (yet understandable) you spoken, I see what your trying to say. However, take it as you want.

I am professionally qualified to interpret photographs and to detect digital manipulation. My opinion is admissible as evidence in court. If I find that you are attempting to profit financially in any way by passing off those three photographs as genuine Martian photography, I will contact law enforcement and file a complaint, turning over a copy of this thread as evidence of your acknowledgement of the discussion in which the evidence of fakery was presented. Do not mistake me in the least. I take fraud very seriously.

This is coming from a guy who NOT sees or knows what I am speaking about in terms of external sources being put forth as EVIDENCE...

Please satisfy my demand for external evidence by providing the name of the author of the report. He seems to believe, as do you, that the three screen captures are legitimate photographs. I will present my evidence to him that they are fake, outside your influence, and get his input.

Not this any of it make any of you curious???

I'm curious how far you intend to go with obviously fake photos. There is no doubt in my mind that they are fake, so I'm not interested in the least what fables you've concocted around them or what imaginary people you say attest to their reality.

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are you a descendant of The Amazing Criswell?

Criswell had charisma.

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I was trying to think of some brilliant, witty come-back, but it ain't worth the effort. MR, the feeling is mutual. See you on the flip side.

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Utah??? I just gave you 3 Links to look, read, & see the answers to your questions of me contacting the creators of this program. Your ignoring again!! :-/

You said:
"If I find that you are attempting to profit financially in any way by passing off those three photographs as genuine Martian photography, I will contact law enforcement and file a complaint, turning over a copy of this thread as evidence of your acknowledgement of the discussion in which the evidence of fakery was presented. Do not mistake me in the least. I take fraud very seriously."

MR:
Bring it on!!!! Because in fact I am gonna be writing a book called THE FACES OF MARS. Guess what is gonna be inside? ;-)

Your a joker. Please do.. fill out such a complaint! ha ha ha ha ha.

Please allow this to go to court!! Ha ha ha ha ha, PLEASE???? ;-)

By the way, a case of he said & he said different, is NOT a crime! ;-)
If that was the case, than RCH would have been in court ages ago over this FRAUD you consider is a Face in Cydonia! Ha ha ha. Your a riot! This is my time & my work involved in this investigation. I will make cash if I can. Yes I shall. Your no one to stop me in doing so neither! Please make that report!! ;-)


You said...
"I will present my evidence to him that they are fake, outside your influence, and get his input."

MR: Ohhhh It is just his attention you want? Well, as I said, your things have been noted. as well as presented. Sorry. That aint gonna happpen like you want. Not now anyway. I guarentee you that! Besides, I have NO influence over him at all! Your givin me more power & credit than you wanted to show now. ;-)

You said...
"I'm curious how far you intend to go with obviously fake photos. There is no doubt in my mind that they are fake, so I'm not interested in the least what fables you've concocted around them or what imaginary people you say attest to their reality."

MR:
You will see how far when I get there or near there. ;-) It is my path, not yours! So there is no doubt... again, in YOUR Mind, that they are fake. That is nice & again, has been shown & noted as to why, as well as bias, but at least you attempted. ;-)

Fables I concoted ay?? ha ha ha ha ha. Whatever you say. You wanted the Evidence for me to provide, yet you will not read or listen to it out of thier own mouths??

So why all the crying about me putting up your answers if you aint wanting to see or hear it? Your showing your real intents & NOT ant to see or know anything at all.

Here are those links again... Genious...

http://martianrevelationradioshow.bl...incidence.html

http://www.martianrevelation.com/Clips4Show.html

Then Hear & read also...

http://www.martianrevelation.com/Clips4Show2.html

(you need real player to see & hear plugin's audio. ;-) )

Listen t your answers you seek yourself! Hear their answers!

You said...
"Without proof of the authenticity of the key evidence, the story is useless."

MR:
Yup. Your story sure is useless, especially when you have access to that key evidence from 2 outside sources that in fact, helps this story I tell all the more. Ha ha ha ha ha.

So... when do we go to court & I SUE YOU for harassment, & false accusations & also charectar defemation??? genious! :-/

You said...
"You have the burden to prove your claim that the three photographs showing additional Cydonia-like faces are legitimate Mars photography that someone else can obtain from the common repositories without your intervention. Screen captures of a broadcast television program are not a documented provenance."

MR:
Well sherlock, I am already working hard on trying to find them in PUBLIC repositories as you call it. :-/ So far, nothing. But still long way to go. An image at a time, remember, for also to be used for my Online VIKING ORBITER IMAGE ARCHIVE PROJECT? ;-)

But I am guessing that these images are NOT in Public domain repositories, but in secret repositories when need to know basis is applied. ;-)

That is part of the relevance to this story. or this CONSPIRACY THEORY!!
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

Maybe it is. I hope it is. If not, & I am HOPING if NOT,... that is when the fun starts up another notch.

he documentary itself is a documented provenance. On the surface cover features, it is exactly that! A Diary of the research that was known as we know it. But being apart of the surface cover, we attribute fact we are being told even that, is COVER STORY hiding the truth that sits underneath that surface. As I have been showing & trying to show.

Ummm... have YOU even watched the video yet???

You really need to find your answers as they are being given unto you instead of crying for attention & wanting s bad to CRUSH this conspiracy Theory, in the only means you can or know how. As which you have impressed me & so many others upon your amazing skills at investigating this issue. :-/

MARS REVEALER

Alrighty. I'm not sure whether you can answer these questions, but here goes anyways.

Where do the pictures come from? Where can we find the pictures? How can we verify the pictures are genuine?

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