I'm now watching Gladiator. My decision was made for me this day. It's an awesome flick, it's just that I've seen it about 10 times already.

Great, now I'm off into random land.

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I think this thread went into random land on the first post

I agree, Gladiator is awesome. One of those movies I could watch weekly and never tire of

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"Those are the people that wonder how a thermos knows whether to keep something hot or keep something cold." ~ NeoWatcher

I can't watch any movie weekly and never tire of. Though, the starwars family guy episode makes me want to watch those again. It's been years.

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I'm like one of those idiot savants...well, except for the savant part.
"In order to increase awareness of the homeless, security have been given binoculars."

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Rovers forever! - ToSeek

I could have done without I, II, and III, but that's just me. I actually never saw III. I don't know if it's because they really weren't as good as the originals, or if it's just that my taste in movies has changed. But it's got me nervous about the next Indy film, because that's my all-time favorite movie series.

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I'm like one of those idiot savants...well, except for the savant part.
"In order to increase awareness of the homeless, security have been given binoculars."

Same here. Really love that Movie . And I can watch it over and over again.

One of my favorite quotes from Russel Crowe :

"What we do in life , Echoes to Eternity"

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"The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing." - Albert Einstein

"The good life is inspired by love and guided by knowledge " - Bertrand Russell

"Your time will come...



But not yet."

ETA: That simple line stuck with me. "Not Yet..."
The strength of perseverence- to never give up or leave it half finished.

Yeah!

Another one is :

"Strength and Honor!"

In facing battles , fighting it and dying with honor.

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"The good life is inspired by love and guided by knowledge " - Bertrand Russell

Episode One was eerily similar to the annexation of Hawai'i in the real world.

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Rovers forever! - ToSeek

That's not degeneration, it's evolution!

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"If this were play'd upon a stage now, I could condemn it as an improbable fiction."
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"The Mayan symbol for "book" looks a lot like a triple hamburger, but I've never seen them claiming it as proof the Mayans had Big Macs." - KaiYeves
"Distance doesn’t matter much in space, where if you just start a thing off with the right kind of shove, sooner or later it will get where you want it to go." -Frederik Pohl, Mining the Oort

Mars Revealer has actually been helpful and provided a moderator at Mars...A Red Planet Roundtable Discussion with a requested Viking image number.

My guess is that the dark object in his processed image of f466a15 is Phobos. Small .gif images of this and two others with this dark object, f466a16 and f466a18, can be viewed here. Larger .imq files of this series can be found here.

The only similar image of this type that I am aware of is the one the Viking 2 orbiter took in 1977.

And as usual, the "MAD MARTIAN" delivers more abuse than any real knowledge.

My guess is that the dark object in his processed image of f466a15 is Phobos.

Looks like Phobos to me. The concentric crater system (Voltaire?) is fairly unmistakable.

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This looks an awful lot like the cave on Mars image recently discussed...

The edges of the dark shape aren't as evenly rounded as in the cave pics.

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"The Mayan symbol for "book" looks a lot like a triple hamburger, but I've never seen them claiming it as proof the Mayans had Big Macs." - KaiYeves
"Distance doesn’t matter much in space, where if you just start a thing off with the right kind of shove, sooner or later it will get where you want it to go." -Frederik Pohl, Mining the Oort

There IS a conspiracy here, a conspiracy by conspiracy theriosts to only post their conspiracy theories as soon as I go offshore for a month. This is PROOF that they are MONITORING my every move AND will stop at NOTHING TO SPOIL MY FUN.

The moderators are in on this un-holy alliance too. Banning them before I get a chance to even think of an answer.

Could any future conspiracy theorists please take my 28 days on 28 days off rotation into consideration prior to posting.

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Casus_belli is right. I'm in on the conspiracy, and am constantly monitoring Cesus_belli's internet activity. Consider me to be a whistle blower.

This definetly will have some negative results on my paycheck.

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Don't mind BertL.
When I look at my traffic monitor, this month the sum on your paycheck is negligible anyway. They cannot cut it that much.

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Thanks, Jay.

not even the original animated Transformers movie or Blazing Saddles?

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Paint Your Wagon.

Mars Revealer claims that the dark object in f466a15 is the moon Deimos.

The Planetary Society has an image (f564a04) of Deimos in transit of Mars. The caption says it was taken by the Viking 2 orbiter, but I think it was taken by the Viking 1 orbiter.

Jay, the craters Voltaire, as well as Swift, are on Deimos, not Phobos.

I have confirmed that f466a15 is an image of Phobos transiting Mars taken by the Viking 1 orbiter.

Jay, the craters Voltaire, as well as Swift, are on Deimos, not Phobos.

Hence the (?) -- the names of only a few crater systems on the Martian moons were leaping to mind, and a few were kicking me in the head on the way.

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Mars Revealer is quite the logician. At Mars...A Red Planet Roundtabe Discussion he posted an image and challenged readers to classify it as real or fake. He later provided the Viking image reference number only when pressed. The image of Phobos transiting Mars is "real," the source material for his image most likely obtained from a legitimate Viking archive. But the actual purpose of his challenge is to somehow demonstrate that the images seen the old Grizzly Adams Productions video, the ones showing what he calls the "3 new Faces of Mars," could also be real despite lacking proper documentation.

The Revealer:
Earlier, he replied to me regarding the image of Phobos:
In reality, only two posters there were suspecting fakery, while another two, including myself, were leaning towards "real."

Well, technically he's correct. The inclusion and exclusion of a way of identifing a particular photo in and of itself does not prove that the photo is not real.

Of course, it doesn't prove that it is real. But failing to supply it, doubly so when specifically asked for it, does imply that you are trying to hide something.

For instance, if I walk out of the local electronics store carring a new flatscreen monitor, and a cop stops me in the parking lot and says, "I think you stole that monitor, show me your reciept". Now, if I fail to be able to produce a reciept, does that mean I stole the monitor? No. Maybe I threw it in the trash by the door. Maybe the cashier forgot to put it in the bag. Maybe I do have it, but don't wish to show it to him because I don't like authority.

But if I simply tell the cop, "I don't have a reciept" and keep walking, do you think he's going to suspect that the monitor is stolen? I sure would.

edit: corrected so the cop doesn't look so dumb; i started the example using monitor and he asked for a television reciept.

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I'm like one of those idiot savants...well, except for the savant part.
"In order to increase awareness of the homeless, security have been given binoculars."

I'm reminded of this entry:

http://www.xkcd.com/331/

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I usually don't follow blind links, but I'm glad I made an exception in this case. That's priceless, and it's one more hobby I might have to consider taking up.

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I'm like one of those idiot savants...well, except for the savant part.
"In order to increase awareness of the homeless, security have been given binoculars."

The proof that his face photos are fake comes from the photos themselves in the form of internal inconsistency. The lack of provenance is an additional, but unnecessary point. Demonstrating provenance would refute an accusation of fakery, but failure to provide provenance is not the proof of fakery.

Conversely for some other photograph that is not internally inconsistent, such as the Phobos transit image, when you have both consistency and provenance there is really no comparison. That he withheld the provenance does not matter. That some initially questioned the authenticity of the image is notable but not crucial. I can make no case on internal evidence alone that the Phobos transit image is fake; therefore we properly hold it as genuine until proven otherwise.

The argument we made is not, "It has no provenance, therefore it must be fake." Therefore contriving a non-provenance condition for a plausible photo is a straw man.

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Jay, I don't understand what you mean by "provenance", in this context.

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It always surprises me with CT believers that they, well, believe that any rock on Mars that happens to look artificially carved is in fact so done. The phenomenon of rock structures being weathered into what appear to be human carvings is extremely common here on Earth, especially in the southwestern USA. Sleeping Ute Mountain (looks like a Ute Indian lying down on his side) near Cortez, Colorado is one example, as is Capitol Reef in south-central Utah (a prominent feature there looks like a capitol building's dome). I don't hear legions of CTBs insisting that that Utes carved a mountain to look like one of their chiefs, or a patriotic pioneer carved a capitol dome into the red-rock of southern Utah. They're accepted as merely eroded by wind and water. Mars too has wind--and perhaps water--and therefore has erosion. Is it that hard to see that geology is geology, even on another planet?

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