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Originally Posted by Joe Boy
Hm, I see. I find it rather curious that the artifacts look so much like buildings of some sort with possibly windows here and there or for all I know they are launching outlets for winged martians. Little roadway looking things that seem to be set up with some planning as opposed to random vertical or horizontal lines. Above where you would not expect to see any structures there are none. Rocky craggy areas devoid of anything but rock. Why are there no artifacts there?
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I can't help what they look like to you but the look like typical rectangular jpeg artefacts to me. And the arefacts are there on the "craggy areas" (the central uplift of Hale crater), they are just harder to see because they have been distored by being draped over the DEM. As a result they are not longer rectangular.
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I am well aware that some people will go to extreme lengths to make their point, even if it is based on a falsehood. This Skipper has devoted eight years of his life to this project. He is neither dumb nor ignorant. If these compression artifacts are so easily debunked, I don't see why he would continue. He only recently has accepted advertisments so he hasn't been in it for the doe. He is writing a book, I guess I would too if I had invested eight years of my life on a project.
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I never said that "Skipper" was dumb. I said he is wilfully ignorant. If you can come up with another better description of a person who thinks that there are fires and large open water bodies on Mars thus ignoring what we have known about atmospheric composition and pressure and temperature for more than 40 yers, then I would be glad to find it. Nobody who has spent as much time looking at Mars as he must have done has any excuse to not knowing that the martian aatmosphere has essentially no oxygen and thus cannot sustain fire and is too cold and of too low pressure.
As for persisting is making easily debunked claims, after many years experience in dealing with young earthers, hoaglandites and moon hoaxers I can assure you that people will continue to make rediculous claims even after they have been repeatedly shown to be false. The archives of this board illustrate this very well.[/quote]
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I would really like to see a compression artifact from another planet or the moon that looks anything like the one in question. The examples I have seen to date don't cut it. I have seen other photos of his that seem just as remarkable and I just do not understand why the artifacts that appear to be structures, dams, plant life are always where you would expect them to be and if they are indeed just artifacts why aren't the rough and rocky areas where you would not expect to build anything look so normal, barren and free of artifacts?.
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I attach a clip from a Google Earth image of Sturts Stony Desert in Australia. I zoomed in, converted it to panchromatic, rotated and saved many times. There is a distinct nested angular pattern in it that is very similar to what "Skipper" would all either evidence of a Martian cvilisation or else evidence of NASA/ESA cover up.
I can't address claims of "structures", "dams", "plant life", etc. unless you point to specific examples and explain why they are "where you would expect them to be". How about you do this?
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There are hundreds of these photos and Skipper is not the only one making them available.
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Actually it is NASA and ESA who make these images available, not "Skipper". People like "Skipper" just put them onto their web sites have put their own interpretation on them
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As Jay told me earlier it is Skipper's obligation to prove his claims. He is correct, but Skipper doesn't feel he has anything to prove.
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That's his opinion. It is the opinion of others, like myself, who are quite knowledgeable about Mars, or imaging processing, and related disciplines that his claims are baseless. Our claims are base on testable science and are constrained by consistency with what we know. His claims are based on his opinions that are inconsistent with what we know.
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He explains his opinions at length and then some and I have never heard or read anyone say anything other then they are just compression artifacts.
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You need to read for widely. "Skipper" is an enthusiast for the "glass tubes" on Mars. They have been discussed at length in this forum (look for them) and are in fact mis-interpreted valleys with dunes.
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Also, wouldn't compression artifacts tend to look alike. I have seen what has been depicted as lakes, islands on lakes, big tubes, little tubes, hundreds of miles of some kind of tubular life form or geology maybe, going over and under one another and converging on central areas that seem to be structures or something.
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Please provide specific examples of "lakes", "islands on lakes", "big tubes", "little tubes", and "hundreds of miles of some kind of tubular life form" with links the original images.
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I am not saying anything is what it appears to be but the variety of different images presented by Skipper and others is very interesting to say the least. I tend to beleive there is something to these photos. If I am wrong I will be the first to admit it. Maybe I just lack the scientific expertise to make the right call.
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Provide liks to specific images and we can discuss them.
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If they are just artifacts I want to see them on the moon, in the Sahara Desert and in the dried up oceans on mars. If there are artifact here, there should be artifacts there
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There is a whole pack of people out there who think they an see alien technology in compression artefacts. lens flares, film defects etc. on the Moon.
As for Earth, using a standard image tool like Microsoft photo editor you can create artefacts to your heart's content using Google Earth. Attached (I hope!) is a Google Earth image from near Olympic Dam In South Australia. It has been converted to pancromatic scale, rotated several times, reduced, enlarged, and had brightness and contrast enhanced. As a result there is a nested rectinlinear pattern that, if seen in an image of Mars, someone like Hoogland or "Skipper" would interpret as an ancient street pattern, or whatever. Th left hand image is the original, the right hand is the "processed".
You can do the same.
Jon
10-May-2008, 08:29 PM
