English is my first language, and it is still difficult to parse his posts.

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MR,
You've shown us the old photos, you have obviously seen the newer, more detailed ones.
What is your new information that you are talking about? What's the big mystery?
Enough huff and puff...what do you have for us? I for one am curious.

edit, re-reading the posts, I think Yoda has shown up.
Is it the colorized pictures that should leave us gasping? I'm still confused...

If you continue to call comments from other posters stupid, you indeed won't be answering them because you'll be banned. Try to remain polite, please.

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Yes, I have a feeling this is very true for many American English readers.

Which, unless you're a medical professional, you're not qualified to make. Besides, speaking as someone who's been on Prozac, you've got the symptoms Prozac treats all wrong. Prozac is an antidepressant and doesn't do a thing for paranoia.

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"You can't erase icing."

"I can't believe it doesn't work! I found it on the internet, man!"

People, can we please refrain from discussing medications and mental health issues in this thread?

Im an RN and it still doesnt mean anything. I was thinking more OCD or ADD myself.


dfrank

Sorry, I agree.

dfrank

Okay, I've done my considering.

A search of the BA's website does not reveal your name.
Nor in that newpaper article are you addressed directly. He speaks only of the "Face of Mars".

I'm curious; amongst your photos, why do you show Jupiter? Or was that a mistake?

In all the photos, I only see a blurry, blank area in the places you circled.

Also, you're not using the new images that are much sharper than these provided by the Viking orbiters.

No, you have fallen victim to Pareidolia.
Now, many people can fall for Pareidolia. What's important is to recognize this phenomenon for what it really is, instead of taking it at face value (pun intended), and making claims like what you're doing now.

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To the conspiracy crowd, radiation is a big Boogey Man that inspires terror and death in all who encounter it. - JayUtah

Oooo. Nice threat.

Question - Can you give me the name and address of one of your high school English teachers? I need to go whack him or her on the nose with a newspaper.

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Can you give me the name and address of one of your high school English teachers?

The promotion article he linked to in his first post says he doesn't have any training in science or communication. Let it not therefore be said he was untruthful on that point.

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ROFL!!

Oooh, he's got earbuds on too. That poor Indian looks very uncomfortable.

Earbuds are bad; headphones are better--less germy and waxy. I hope the Martian pareidolias practice better headphone-hygiene than the Terran ones!

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Gary,

All your colorization of those images is doing, is enhancing the color of the underlying minerals of Mars.

It a technique used quite often with the moon, even by amatures.

For Example, this persons moon photo.

I don't see what relevance that has to do with them being artificial.

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http://worldsofothersuns.home.comcast.net/

He couldn't very well say "look at the face" using the HIRES images as there is nothing in those images that even resembles a "face".

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Can you site this claim?

And, in another post, your responded to Phil's claim that he had never heard of you in this way:
I assume you are referring to this part of Page 2 of the linked article:
It's pretty clear here that Phil does not reference you specifically in this quote, nor in any quote in the article. He never says your name, or even so much as refers to you as "that guy." Only the author of the article applies Phil's comments to you. Do you see what happened here? You read the article. I'm sure you paid close attention to it. But you still saw something that wasn't there.

Mars Revealer,

I am glad to see you CHALLENGING authority using the evidence provided by that AUTHORITY...

But you must allow me to insist that it is not a carving of a face. You have the angle off by 90 degrees counterclockwise:

(Image size: 131k)


Now, take note. Richard Hoagland first published Monuments of Mars in 1987...

And Camel Cigarettes launched its "Joe Camel" campaign in... 1987.

This is not a TACO, nor a random trick of CHANCE!

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You know, I was going to tear that all down, line by line, in classic Serenitude style. But then I thought, to myself, that since this is the most incoherent, rambling, fallacy-laden, evidence-free, boastful, shamelessly self-publicizing, ignorant (in the correct sense), completely overblown, and most absurd collection of words that I've ever read in my entire lifetime, by a person who a) sees things on Mars that aren't there, b) needs to work on his photoshop skills, or at least find a different face to claim is popping up all over (really, MR, using the same one is kind of obvious....), c) it pretty much debunks itself, d) if he ever actually got a shot at Phil on a radio show (which is EXTREMELY, EXTREMELY unlikely), Phil would tear him to shreds in the logical sense - so he can only be shilling to create controversial hype for his show, and e) I have more enjoyable things I could waste 45 minutes on, like impaling myself on common household objects, or timing how long it would take me to die if I locked myself in a freezer.

So, I think I'll just chuckle at this nonsense, and play some Guild Wars

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"Those are the people that wonder how a thermos knows whether to keep something hot or keep something cold." ~ NeoWatcher

Well, I'm not even sure why I am bothering replying, but what the heck.

One of your major problems -- perhaps THE major problem -- is that you jump to conclusions on no evidence.

Quite often, when the "Face" gets an article about it, I get a phone call form the reporter; my site rates highly on Google for it. So a reporter calls me, says they have some guy claiming the face is a Face, and I say "nope" and give the real evidence. So I haven't heard of you.

Incidentally, it's not "your" face. People have been claiming Cydonia is artificial long before even RCH wrote his awful book about it.

I never used the word "suffering". Pareidolia is not a mental illness, like, say, paranoia. It's just a trick of the mind, like an optical illusion.

I never said either of those things. I see a face when I look at emoticons. That's natural. And I never said people shouldn't be listened to. I note you are able to post here.

You appear to have a very difficult time understanding very simple statements. The fact that you have so grossly mischaracterized what I said doesn't bode well for the rest of your arguments.

Again, this is quite incorrect. I have examined the Cydonia data, analyzed the arguments, and found them to be silly. They are certainly wrong; Hoagland's claims are almost entirely incorrect, and easy to show as such.

And of course I clicked on your links. If you read what I wrote, I mentioned the other pictures you posted.


We have finally stumbled on the one correct thing you have posted so far. I have in fact made money off this. It's not a whole lot, and certainly not as much as, say, RCH has made. But I don't see the point. I have not hurt true research, I have helped it by showing just how real research is done, and how unreal research is done.

Please, on a personal note: the martyr schtick gets old quickly. I have not tried to humiliate you or anyone. I just show what's real and what isn't.

Heh. That's pretty funny. I never said I was an authority. I am, however, a trained expert in image analysis. That's in my bio page, if you care to look for it on the site.

Oh, irony abounds here. I think everyone else here sees it slightly differently than you do, though.

You might want to peruse the rules here. This thread won't disappear, though if it gets rude it will be locked.

Have a care, here. That can be taken as a threat. I do not take such things lightly.

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Oh, another thing, because the irony on this one is too perfect:

Do you really, really, want to take the route of comparing credentials? Really?

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Veiwers, please note: As much as he desperately wants to be a martyr, and show how we've "shut up his voice", etc... please note that MR is still a forum member, and if he can abide by the rules of the forum, will remain one. If he ends up demonstrating repeated, bannable behavior, he may indeed be banned. The fact that his posts were "allowed", as he would put it, and the fact that he is still free to post at the moment, are testimony to the openess and pursuit of truth on these forums. As the BA states, this thread will permanently remain publicly accessable, as do all of the CT threads, even should he "flame-out". We have nothing to hide here

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"I have this theory that the Apollo missions were faked when NASA found out that general relativity was wrong because the Earth was expanding due to the Sun's iron core being influenced by magnetic waves from the electric universe after being perturbed by Planet X and thereby causing global warming. Where should I start a thread about this?" ~ ToSeek

"Those are the people that wonder how a thermos knows whether to keep something hot or keep something cold." ~ NeoWatcher

Pareidolia is not a mental illness, like, say, paranoia. It's just a trick of the mind, like an optical illusion.

I want to emphasize this. Pareidolia is a phenomenon, not a mental condition, illness, or disorder. It is a natural consequence of normal cognition and relates to many other forms of ordinary misperception. It does not indicate any form of dysfunction; although it may indicate inexperience in interpreting some kinds of data (e.g., images), whose experts would normally learn which perceived patterns are actually significant and which are merely coincidental.

In attributing Gary's interpretation to pareidolia, we merely note that it is wrong in a well-known way and not that Gary himself has a mental disorder.

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Whew! This whole thread would remind one of a Three Stooges movie in which one Stooge (Shemp) tries to convince a panel of professors at a university that he has STARTLING NEW EVIDENCE of alien life while the other Stooges are concocting "evidence" with silly putty and clay. When the professors point out that he evidence seems to be silly putty and clay, Shemp rails at the dean of the institution about who is more qualified to judge the evidence.

I'll not spoil the ending of my imaginary movie by disclosing the ending.

BTW, MarsRevealer's evidence is much ado about nothing new.

tbm

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I'd also like to point out, for the record, that I was in fact the one to accuse him of pareidolia, and not Phil, although he did go into more detail. Just add it to the list of dozens, if not hundreds, of mistakes he's made in just a few posts. As he's demonstrated over and over, he doesn't interpret the printed word any better than he interprets pictures

And to third what Phil and Jay have said, it's a natural phenomena hard-wired into all humans. It's how we look for things. It is in no way, nor should it ever be considered, mental illness or a sign thereof. Every human on Earth is susceptible. Professionals train themselves to overcome it. MR has purposefully misrepresented the entire set of circumstances to further his martyr schtick.

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"I have this theory that the Apollo missions were faked when NASA found out that general relativity was wrong because the Earth was expanding due to the Sun's iron core being influenced by magnetic waves from the electric universe after being perturbed by Planet X and thereby causing global warming. Where should I start a thread about this?" ~ ToSeek

"Those are the people that wonder how a thermos knows whether to keep something hot or keep something cold." ~ NeoWatcher

If it was then I needed serious therapy as a child...

For that matter so would the BA. He saw LENIN in the shower.

Seriously BA... Couldn't you have seen Marylin Monroe?

I have often wondered why it never seems to occur to conspiracy theorists, especially the Faceketeers, that presenting their evidence in a coherent, logical, and polite manner, without threats, accusations, or promises of incredible evidence “yet-to-come”, would naturally lead to their opinions being taken a LOT more seriously. While I can understand the frustration of being disbelieved by a majority of the people over an extended period of time, I would think that the experience would assist these people in developing the most effective manner in which to present their views so that they will be given the greatest chance of being seriously considered. Just an observation.

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I guess I'm just expressing how tired I am of persons who resort to shouting (both analog and digital) in order to "prove" how correct their claims are.

For me it just shows, as demonstrated by the OP, they've run out of evidence, cogent explanations, and anything else that might move their claims beyond the realm of speculation and wishful thinking. Such a situation then persuades me look elsewhere for something substantial and interesting to read and think about.

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i remember when the "new" pics of the "face" on Mars came out a few years back. when i saw the new pic, i decided to do an experiment.
since the new pic was of a higher resolution, i decided to shrink it down, save it, and blow it back up.
guess what it looked like.. it looked EXACTLY like the Viking image from the 70's.
so i decided that either NASA took the original low res image and "embellished" it to look like a bunch of random hills to cover up the alien structure, or that it really was just a bunch of random hills. since the second choice made more sense to me, that's the one i went with.

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Me too, the way MarsRevealer is posting triggers my bozo filter so hard that I can barely get through a paragraph or two of them irrespective of the actual content.

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