So, you're saying that the U.S. downplayed the existence of artificial structures on Mars, that they threw away a huge discovery and all the prestige associated with it because...
The Soviets managed to get a copy of the photos?
I just don't get it, why does it matter if the Soviets get to see the photos a little early instead of waiting for them to be released worldwide, when you start trumpeting your amazing discovery, showing off the triumph of your space program for everyone to see?

GrandLunar.

You said...
"Also, you're not using the new images that are much sharper than these provided by the Viking orbiters."

MR:
Your right! There are NO Public available Images from any mission showing these OTHER Faces seen on Mars, accept these Viking Images, that still show good enough detail that even Plait himself acknowledged they look like Faces. Ha ha ha

Sometimes taking things at Face Value, is all that is needed, especially when there really IS something to see that SOME others NOT wants you to believe you are really seeing in those pictures! POLICY!!!

DaveJ... You said...
"MR,
You've shown us the old photos, you have obviously seen the newer, more detailed ones. What is your new information that you are talking about? What's the big mystery? Enough huff and puff...what do you have for us? I for one am curious."

MR:
Again, there are NO newer PUBLICLY available images showing These NEW Faces, from the OLD image data of Viking! NONE! The NEW Information I am speaking about consists of Information, that will detail about these OTHER Faces, as well as the images they show on, & some history.

The Viking Mars Mission is History! Chock full of secrecy & International espionage. To those involved also in all of that! I am glad your curious, & should be! It leaves something to chew on until I am ready. ;-)

No huff & puff... Just a Heads Up!! No wine before it's time! As someone Once very close to me always stated.

dGavin... you said...
"All your colorization of those images is doing, is enhancing the color of the underlying minerals of Mars."

MR:
Hmmmm. Really now?? To get that & do that, you need the DATA there to be able to show that! The color used in the HIT PIECE, was NOT minerological data!! Ooooops.. Wrong! It therefore cannot detect minerological properties if the data is not including that now does it?! :-/

This is the colors dervived from thier COVERED up details of these colors to HIDE THEM! Not too well mind you. Thank You ESA! ESA has by far so far, been the best to show us all the martian ARTSCAPES. Letting us all be able to see the Tattoo so to speak! Whereas NASA, makes it very hard to see. NOT Impossible, but much harder to see than ESA! ;-)

The colors go in sync with the artistical relief & design covering the Face. let alone ALL of Cydonia. After all the Martians NOT created thier art sculpture structures in Black & white to be merely seen in & with. ;-)

RAF. You said...
"He couldn't very well say "look at the face" using the HIRES images as there is nothing in those images that even resembles a "face"."

MR:
Wrong!! I just NOT brought it up to subject on using the MRO views of the Face. Even that was PLAYED WITH before they given it out. Without color also mind you. :-/ However, It does show the art sculpting & patterning on the Face, as I predicted & see even in MRO's view! remember, the Face at Cy is a Mile wide! A Mile & a half long!! Have you been studying the high rez view of MRO Face at Cy? I have & am seeing much art sculpture & structuring on it!

However, instead of steering off track & topic, this is about 3 new faces to deal with to consider, how what was supposed to be A MERE COINCIDENCE,.. being said to help debunk the Main Face at Cy, by NASA & POLICY, we now have 3 more to include showing it is NO MERE coincidence at all! NASA LIED, because of Policy Agenda by HIGHER UPS! The secret Intelligence Agency that RUNS the american Space Programs!

Aristocrates?? You mean to tell me you & others as acamedia deny scientists usually require 3 sources to prove a theory or disprove it??? :-/

JJA??? You gotta be kidding me! You twist & skew what something supposed to be seen in another way, to use it to base a credential of declaring it is not what it appears to be??? A FACE!!!

That old sad tactic is useless accept to the gullible & simple minded who cannot move the picture to it's true viewing position! That is WEAK!!! Ha ha ha. REAL WEAK!!

MARS REVEALER

And that cloud in the sky looks just like a Giraffe. The cloud dwellers must have built it.

Owch. Pun award...
Bold mine:Continuing promises to provide...

When YOU are ready eh?
awww.. C'MON! I'm peeing my pants here with anticipation.
...Continuing promises to provide...

...Continuing promises to provide...
Of course not done well. Must have been a whistleblower. Otherwise, a highly intelligent and educated person such as yourself would never have noticed, right?
Maybe NASA also likes to make ...continuing promises to provide...?

Proof?
Oh yes... I forgot...
...Continuing promises to provide...

So um...

When is your book comming out so I can buy it? All these hints and teasing...
Like a carrot on the stick...
ahhh
nevermind.
I've gotten bored with you now.

So if I read this correctly, (and that's getting harder and harder to do) it is your contention that the HIRES images of Cydonia show a "face like" object?

So that is what you are saying. How in the heck do you see "sculpture, and structure" in a simple eroded hill?? Appearently, all of your conclusions are based on subjective observations. this however is a science board and we require objective evidence.

Provide that evidence...

Here we go...you have made a claim, and now you will provide evidence to substantiate that claim, or you will withdraw that claim. Simple huh??

"Twist and skew"?? You are making the claim that there are artificially constructed "faces" on Mars, your only evidence is your own perception, and you accuse us of "twisting and skewing"??

Too, too funny.

Unfortunately (for you) you will not find gullible or simple minded people on this board. Why don't you try "selling" this crap over on god like productions?

But how one reacts to the perception is often indicative of some kind of disorder. In other words, it's normal to see the shapes of dragons in clouds. It's not normal to be afraid of cloud-dragons. That kind of reaction is likely a symptom of schizophrenia or a side effect of drugs.

Paranoia as in, picking some random internet blog by a guy who's never heard of you and claiming, "it's written about me!"

Well, I am an extraterrestrial and an archeologist- does my opinion that the "Face" is bunk mean anything?
The first time I ever heard of the "face" was in National Geographic Kids when the first new pictures came in. If you think National Geographic are liars, you are a sad, sad, little man.

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Thank you. That was my knee jerk reaction. This delusion has influenced his behavior.

dfrank

Bad Astronomer...

You said...
"One of your major problems -- perhaps THE major problem -- is that you jump to conclusions on no evidence."

MR:
Really now?? No evidence??? I just provided 3 new faces in 3 different areas. You yourself admitted they look like Faces. You suffer from Paradiolia bubba! ;-) The fact is the writer written that you specifically stated my name.

besides that, wether you said my name or not. .. Your an Icon of the POLICY, & One who has been so outspoken against the face that your automatically in my targets of firing at when I come forth with the motts for our play day. You will play! Make no mistake about that! You will be compelled to! Trust me! ;-) You are a spokesman for the POLICY that I am going to help DESTROY!! Thus you as it's front man,.. must be faced & dealt with appropriately! I intend to win & intend to escalate these issue beyond what your capable of to win in such overwhelming odds against you & those that follow you & the POLICY that will be crushed! How is that for a conslusion? ;-)

That is why I am giving you the heads up to PREPARE for the day you get drawn forth to play in the fray, that will definitely cause quite a stir. New Faces to be seen. Evidence of conspiracy, secrecy, & public manipulation of the TRUE Viking Space program & it's intentions! It's Findings.. etc!

I will say that I have a couple INSIDERS of which were around & In apart of that mission program also, that are far smarter than yourslef, as they are in on the KNOW! This is just examples of things to look forward to. For you to prepare for because it aint only ME you will be dealing with!

Your site, your calls, your sales,.. are going to drop when this time comes. So enjoy it while it lasts! The Policy was NOT meant to go on forever ya know!!! ;-) Nor your claim of fame will last forever! Especially to those that already paid you & believed in you & take you as spokesman of worth & POWER over these issues. Your very reputaion & work & spin doctoring of these issues is what made you. I will use these same to destroy you. NOT because of you as a person, but because who & what you are in support of the POLICY! By default your in the target! That is why I am fair & am giving you the heads up warning to prepare for that surpring day when I draw you forth & out, which you will... WILL.. oblige to meet for the event! or suffer loss of your own FACE you created for yourself!!!

Now this.. CATCHES MY ATTENTION!

You said...
"Incidentally, it's not "your" face. People have been claiming Cydonia is artificial long before even RCH wrote his awful book about it."

MR:
Indeed. Catches my attention. As that is apart of things I am going to be revealing also! But please sir, please do tell what you know about this facts you claim??? This aint all about RCH neither! In some ways,... it is! Grrrrrrr. But I am interested in telling what you know about these POEPLE making these claims. This can be helpful also. Especially if your nOT a plant by governmental POLICY regarding the stance to the Face & artificiality etc... Then you should not mind being helpful with TRUE information correct? So.. what do YOU know of all that? ;-)

Besides, wether or not you heard of me before is NOT my main case & cause to draw you out! I already explained why I am doing & will do that! ;-)

You said...
" Pareidolia is not a mental illness, like, say, paranoia. It's just a trick of the mind, like an optical illusion."

MR:
That is funny. A true term it indeed may be that you used to create for a label of helping POLICY regarding the Face at Cy!But Now, how do we get 3 more, near exact replicas of coincidence that show... SHOW... no mere chance or TRICK it is, but appear to solidify the SO CALLED MERE... FACE AT CY'S EXISTENCE???

How is that all TRICKS OF THE MIND?? How is all Optical illusions showing consistency & even redundancy??? Of different FACES!!! How can YOU rationalize that concept of fact being addressed with 3 new sources to consider & add to your AGENDA of disproving away the reality of the Face at Cydonia with simple conclusions meant to sway the gullible public??

Now how can that Logic be based now upon 4 faces??? NASA said there was NO other faces seen or found, that look like the one in Cydonia. That was a lie & enforced to tell the public by the secret intelligence in control. They had to show the picture because the Soviets were passing it around. So the US had to remark about it. Remark they indeed did do! It is apart of HISTORY!!! Now the iron Curtain is falling of that secret era of Intelligence.

So now how does your intuition tell you how to seriously deal with these new faces to be considered? (you can & will react to this upon the right time & day. You not have to address this now). You after all, need more information 1st. Which I will be providing all. ;-)

I am NOT here to set you up. But to give you HEADS UP notice of what your gonna expect! A BATTLE of Policy & Policy Breaker! ;-)

I appreciate you letting me post here. I see clearly some do not share your feelings. They should take notice! ;-) I appreciate your appreciation of my posting & me being listened to. Shows me a may have been a little off regarding you as a person, rather then the label placed upon you judging by. But understand, that not makes a difference to what is coming & what your going to Face. You made yourself a spokesperson of the Policy. I am going to attack all those that support that policy & expose the LIES & mind set behind using people like YOU as official word of these matters. especially when I do present my evidence & information.

This is a battle. One I intend to win. One that is MY DESTINY TO WIN! You & others may think that is nutty. But time will tell.. won't it? ;-)
After all, it is I who is making these claims, & is giving you FAIR WARNING! So you may not have known about me. But that NOT escapes the fact that you NOW DO! ;-) I am fair.

My arguments will be fully presented upon the right time when WINE is ready. ;-) So you have not seen or heard nothing yet! I just want you informed of what is going to be coming after you! What I am going to present, & challenge your AUTHORITY position of POLICY controlled spin & will WIN against you & others! To be named & seen at appropriate time.

Hey if you really are a cool guy, who is being used by Controlled POLICY, to be used as a patsy spokesperson, then I am sure when I am showing & telling, that you will concede where need be or give right opinion in light of facts or eveidences right? Especially historical & imaged evidences right? The powers that be used you to make you look like as a troll. Hey, you know how it is. We will put that & YOU to the test!

This is bigger than YOU. That your apart of. Which is why you must & WILLL be drawn ut one way or another. I have my ways, so let us not argue my points. I respect out of respect to yourself, your own work & position, you will admirably appear & deal with it all as it comes. After all, youv'e nothing to hide from at all... right? ;-)

You said...
"Again, this is quite incorrect. I have examined the Cydonia data, analyzed the arguments, and found them to be silly. They are certainly wrong; Hoagland's claims are almost entirely incorrect, and easy to show as such."

MR:
You have analyzed the Cydonia data ay? What data as there is much to see & study. How about ESA's image data through thier PSA archives? Have you studied them? You have found them to be silly also of what people claim about Cydonia ay? Hmmmmm. Yet then you reflect back on Hoagland as if he IS ALL ABOUT THIS AS the SOLE DECISIVE Factor for the future of Cydonia research??

This aint about Hoagland at all. In fact, he is painted in a negative light as apart of being responsible how the Soviets originally acquired the Initial Official Version of the Face at Cydonia!!! Think about that some. ;-)

Now as far as proving claims of Cydonia in what it shows is incorrect, please SHOW AS SUCH!! As you said you can. You will have opportunity when the day comes. ;-) But you can please do so now if you wish.

You aint facing Hoagland. Your gonna be dealing with MARS REVEALER! As it will be me, not him, who reveals these Faces & Information etc regarding them. NOT Him! He NOT wishes these things to be seen, according to a little birdy.

I appreciate you clicked on those links. Please do.. study them well, study them good. You will need them to defend your position, if one you will still have once I am done. So prepare yourself. I am being fair!

You said...
" I have in fact made money off this. It's not a whole lot, and certainly not as much as, say, RCH has made. But I don't see the point. I have not hurt true research, I have helped it by showing just how real research is done, and how unreal research is done."

MR:
What you made is none of my business. But it ****es me off you done so using tactics of gullibility that NOT convinces those doing TRUE research & spitting in others faces for things they claim & do see whereas you say you do not or are unable to, or simply wish wash it away saying paradolia as the lump sum of your research to make that claim as fact as how it is!! You are wrong!!! Not as what you claim as being not possible, indeed it is & makes snese. However, this NOT answers solid judgement to the FACES... OF MARS! Let alone a MERE Face at Cydonia!

So please show us how TRUE research is done??? Now we have 3 other sources showing 3 other Faces. All the research fr these will be provided when right time occurs. yet you now have the 3 Faces in question to determine that research. How can all these be what you claim & judge as true research be awared when Faced with this NEW YET OLD... IMAGE DATA???

It changes the positions of the original argument. Does it not?
You have NOT shown what is real & what is not! You have labeled a position to have all see & consider using insults, clouds, chips, & other things to debase the REAL facts of the situation regarding what is upon Mars! As well as regarding the Face at Cydonia!

Shwoing the picture upside down, twisted horizontally & squished,.. is NOT true research. Of curse to the gullible & unknowing person, seen in that sense, it not looks like a face at All! Making jokes & comments of debasing others input is NOT real research that shows it is not real neither!

The fact is you have nothing to stand on where showing anything is real or not real in Cydonia! You have an agenda what you want all to think & feel is what people need to think of these features in Cydonia are!

If you are a TRAINED EXPERT in image analysis, then why not show & do any that shows you are correct???

How come you not seen the artistical releif patterns covering over & making the Face appear as it does?? How come you not get into the details? If you did, you would show this. How come you do or did not protest to MRO about thier handling of the Face at Cy?? Why it was poorly presented with being hard to see & tell the details that are there. NOT Impossible, but very hard to tell & see. Why have you not done this or mention about it? You IMAGE EXPERT YOU!!! I expect more from an image expert, especially such as like you who helps POLICY dictate what is or is not real.

You said...
"Have a care, here. That can be taken as a threat. I do not take such things lightly."

MR:
In regards to what I said,.. Take it as you want. What can you do to me? We can put that to the test someday when we see each other ya know. ;-)

But twist around what YOU wanna see because I am in opposition to you, of course I see how you take it as you wanna take it,. That NOT makes it right! You have peredolia of seeing what something really means. ;-)

Seeing what you wanna see in your mind. My point is tht you WILL be facing these issues bad Astronomer! You will defend yourself & the policy you acted so accordingly with that gets you official praise & stature because of your actions to disregard this TRUE Research regarding Mars, Cydonia,.. & THE FACES OF MARS! I am & will be challenging you, using data, information, & EXPERT analysis. From REAL experts at Image processing, as well.

It aint credentials that I care about here. ha ha ha ha ha. Say what you want. You will have ample opportunity to defend your position you with credentials, to someone... without! Ha ha ha. Should be easy for you ay? Ya really think so? Time will tell. You have been told what is coming! I am Fair!

This is no attack, or abuse of anyone. Just YOUR method & claims it is accurate enough to really fully answer what is seen, or is not seen.. what is real... or is not real.

You hopped in your seat long ago. Your obligated to yourself & your work as meaningful to face what I am going to put forth, as it directly challenges your position, your theory as modeled fact, & your future as being taken seriously again!!!! The Policy is going to fall & those that have helped it for so long keep the truth away from the American Public! Plus try to continue to do so!

So as a person, maybe I have not known enough, but that is impressed upon me what I seen of you & what is spoken about you. Either way, it aint YOU personally I am going to deal with. As I attested already. So we understand each other.

By the way serenitude?? I aint fmaing anyone. Many are flaming me & NOTHING is being said or done to stop it! Name calling & medical ananysis comments with medications is NOT of forum rules neither?? Is it??? ;-)

Now that all being said... This is about OTHER FACES OF MARS that SHOW,.. The one in Cydonia is NOT MERE,.. Nor alone! It has BROTHERS!!
This upps the ante & is harder to disprove when CONSIDERING these 3 new sources to use!

It is NOT wishful thinking anymore!!! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

MARS REVEALER

I don't get why you included the Sphinx in your pictures, but I have a friend who could make all those faces in PhotoShop in less than a day. I am not flaming you, but if you go the way of RCH and insult Zahi Hawass, I will have to. And by the way, you broke the principal rule of Internet Safety in your first post by revealing personal information.

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Neil Armstrong walked in the Sea of Tranquility
Steve Squyers built Spirit and Opportunity
Dan Haylen upchucked in zero gravity." -Brent Simon, The Space Camp Song

I have to agree with the BA...this "someday when we see each other" stuff sounds like a threat to me.

MR...you should stop that NOW.

PARADOLIA of the Mind!! Wishing what one wants to see. Thinking they see something else other than it truely is. ;-) Wether in images, or in words, the pictures created are in your minds. ;-) Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

Hey KaiYeves...
You said...
"I don't get why you included the Sphinx in your pictures, but I have a friend who could make all those faces in PhotoShop in less than a day. I am not flaming you, but if you go the way of RCH and insult Zahi Hawass, I will have to. And by the way, you broke the principal rule of Internet Safety in your first post by revealing personal information."

MR:
I Included the sphinx in MY Pictures??? Oyyy? Whoever said they were MY Pictures? I am working on getting them. ;-) They DO exist!

However In your own words, used as CHALLENGE,.. Please do.. show ME & your friend/s who can make these Faces using photoshop. But now as they cannot, I am sure they will try & use these ones to try to make your case valid?

NO ONE has been able to do so to this day in all who have said the same. Put Up! ;-) I will give you till tomorrow Noon eastern time to put up! You said in less than a day!

By the way,.. I aint someone wth a FACE to save. I NOT play by the rules. As I intend to show. ;-)

The rules as they are is POLICY Driven!

By the way, these images came from a video. You must be QUICK... To see them! It also is a Cover story! With a code embedded. But I will leave that out of the loop here. The case in point is the video. These images. Plus what I have learned, acquired, & am getting much more to do what I am going to do. Which is why I gave the heads up. I am Fair!!

Wanna see the video?

http://martianrevelationradioshow.bl...incidence.html

MARS REVEALER

If you "NOT" play by the rules of this board, then you will be banned.

I'm trying to enjoy this as a peek into a disturbed mind, but the sheer volume of the text is making it difficult.

Before I just wanted to smack one of his English teachers on the nose. Now I want to beat one up.

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You know guys, this person is spewing all kinds of threats--towards the BA and BAUT members in general--and is making me a little nervous.

MR, your threats have been noted and are NOT being received well.

BAUTers do NOT appreciate being threatened.

As he has stated on this thread, the BA does not appreciate being threatened.

You are seriously creeping me out, and I'm reporting your post.

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