No, I don't think that's what he coveted. I think he simply hoped to anger Phil badly enough that Phil blogged him, and got him some woo-woo controversy to boost ratings for his backwater show. The attempt failed, miserably.

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"I have this theory that the Apollo missions were faked when NASA found out that general relativity was wrong because the Earth was expanding due to the Sun's iron core being influenced by magnetic waves from the electric universe after being perturbed by Planet X and thereby causing global warming. Where should I start a thread about this?" ~ ToSeek

"Those are the people that wonder how a thermos knows whether to keep something hot or keep something cold." ~ NeoWatcher

Hmmmm. Really now?? To get that & do that, you need the DATA there to be able to show that! The color used in the HIT PIECE, was NOT minerological data!! Ooooops.. Wrong! It therefore cannot detect minerological properties if the data is not including that now does it?! :-/

This is the colors dervived from thier COVERED up details of these colors to HIDE THEM! Not too well mind you. Thank You ESA! ESA has by far so far, been the best to show us all the martian ARTSCAPES. Letting us all be able to see the Tattoo so to speak! Whereas NASA, makes it very hard to see. NOT Impossible, but much harder to see than ESA! ;-)

The colors go in sync with the artistical relief & design covering the Face. let alone ALL of Cydonia. After all the Martians NOT created thier art sculpture structures in Black & white to be merely seen in & with. ;-)

Then evidently you don't much about spectography and light at all, do you? All elements, reflect light at various wave lengths. As that moon photo I linked showed, the underlying colors can be enhanced and shown rather easily.

However by your own admision instead of enhancng colors though a saturation process, you used your own artistic license to enhance those photos. In otherwards, it's pure art, and not science at all.

Any non visable colors that normal enhancement techniques bring out, -are- minerological. It's a plain and simple fact of light and spectography. No amount of dancing around that will give any credence to what you are trying to push on people.

If anything it will make your idea's seem less then acceptable.

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http://worldsofothersuns.home.comcast.net/

Disclaimer: I am not the world's worst Photoshopper.

Including some experiments,this took me about half an hour.



I hereby base a credential of declaring it is not what it appears to be - a face.

Real weak, MarsRevealer. Good riddance to you.

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Actually, Neverfly, that should go to me.
I told MR not to take things at face value. He's repeating back what I told him.
Too bad he didn't take it to heart.
But then, I assume his intent in this thread was little more than a big ad hom attack against Dr. Plait, therefore he had little intent of an actual discussion.

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Godspeed, John Glenn. - Scott Carpenter

And these atomic bombs that science burst upon the world that night were strange even to the men that used them.
- H.G Wells, The World Set Free

To the conspiracy crowd, radiation is a big Boogey Man that inspires terror and death in all who encounter it. - JayUtah

GAAH!
That's a more face than even RCH can handle!

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Godspeed, John Glenn. - Scott Carpenter

And these atomic bombs that science burst upon the world that night were strange even to the men that used them.
- H.G Wells, The World Set Free

To the conspiracy crowd, radiation is a big Boogey Man that inspires terror and death in all who encounter it. - JayUtah

It's not a "victory" for rationality when an irrational poster gets himself banned. In other words, it serves no purpose to "kick the corpse".

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oh look! He's authorized to wear the coveted 24-Hour Battle Device! Not even IDW earned that!

He also gets two oak leaf clusters for engaging both Phil and Jay in combat.



btw, the source image is by Lou Drendel.

I feel there should also be some kind of award for a conspiracy that *isn't* about the moon or 9/11, and also for having something new (the claim that there are additional faces on Mars).

This thread has run its course. Closed.

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Mars Revealer is being re-instated.

Thread unlocked.

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"I have this theory that the Apollo missions were faked when NASA found out that general relativity was wrong because the Earth was expanding due to the Sun's iron core being influenced by magnetic waves from the electric universe after being perturbed by Planet X and thereby causing global warming. Where should I start a thread about this?" ~ ToSeek

"Those are the people that wonder how a thermos knows whether to keep something hot or keep something cold." ~ NeoWatcher

That is because they do not exist. You are aware of the story behind the "Face", aren't you? It's not as nefarious as it sounds. Remember, your whole theory invokes a duality that attempts to postulate that NASA is so powerful that secrets involving "Faces" have been kept secret for decades, and yet are so inept that they released the picture in the first place.

Phil did acknowledge that the Viking image looks like a face. Most members will tell you the same thing. The NASA employee who first saw it certainly did, which is where the whole joke came from.

And sometimes it can make one look foolish, especially if they are presenting such a thing to scientists who know better.

Fortunately, outside of your Photoshop skills, such is not the case here.

Please demonstrate, outside of innuendo and hysterical handwaving, any relevant evidence for this claim. Surely, if you've cracked such a conspiracy, there must be evidence, unless you are making this entire story up?

We look forward to you presenting this, and not merely bragging about something it appears you don't possess.

Please present all relevant evidence you have on this subject, not including your shilling hyperbole.

When you are ready is NOW. You have presented to us, on our rules. We don't like games here. You have made a claim, and are expected to produce all evidence as you have it immediately, or your ban may be reinforced

That would be a welcome change from your posts thus far.

See above wrt timely presentation of evidence on this forum.

Are you sure about that?

Don't you think it would be easier to maintain a "conspiracy" by simply not releasing "whistleblowing" photos? Question: Is NASA an international espionage ring of unprecedented power, or so inept it can't keep from accidentally, over decades, releasing to the public, pictures containing information on your "Faces"?

Apples and oranges. It can indeed be hard to see things that aren't there.

Oh, so you're an expert in Martian Archeology now? Would you enlighten us with more details of this Martian culture?

That you don't understand the purposes of image processing is quite telling to the validity and integrity of your overall hypothesis.

It shows nothing but hills and mesas. Demonstrate to the contrary.

Strangely, all I could find on your site were blurry photoshops of the same, original Viking image with arrows pointing to dark spots. Do you have better evidence than spamming the original "Face" picture all over Mars?

And which subsequent, multi-national missions have since proven...

Evidence please.

Well, we have 3 really blurry, photoshopped montages of the original Face. Hardly compelling evidence. I'm assuming you DO have some evidence, don't you? Not just fantastic claims, boasting, and handwaving?

Evidence please.

Again, your lack of knowledge of the basics of the Scientific Method is quite telling wrt the validity of your claims. I do believe you are mistaking a rule of thumb for journalists, ie; three sources, which is now rather antiquated

Pot, meet kettle. It's black

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"I have this theory that the Apollo missions were faked when NASA found out that general relativity was wrong because the Earth was expanding due to the Sun's iron core being influenced by magnetic waves from the electric universe after being perturbed by Planet X and thereby causing global warming. Where should I start a thread about this?" ~ ToSeek

"Those are the people that wonder how a thermos knows whether to keep something hot or keep something cold." ~ NeoWatcher

As long as MR realizes that the BA does not post to the board (as much as MR would "like" him to), and he doesn't imply that he will be meeting anyone "in person", and I don't see a problem.

Well, except for that "pesky" little evidence requirement when making extraordinary claims.

edit to add...WOW, Serenitude...nothing like a little "welcome back, here's both barrels" approach.

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Does anybody on this thread seriously believe that MR will be back??

He's already done what he came to do.

If he really comes back and answers this thread, I'll eat my hat--my pink Redskins cap, no less!

Edit: The Redskins are a football team, not a baseball team. It has been a very long day... Ugh.

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tofu great picture.

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What the hey?

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his "banned from BAUT" badge has been recalled, eh?
he will probably use this all as a way to bash the BA and all the other paid CIA disinfo agents on his own blog thingy or radio show or Youtube device or whatever the kids use to do such things these days...
"they were so scared, that they ganged up on me with their CIAand NASA sponsored "logic". when that didn't work, they banned me. then, they decided that it made them look mean, so they reinstated me. but i'm too smart to go back there"..

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The.. Best.. Thread..Ever...

Do not worry he probably will not be able to answer all of Serenitudes questions.

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http://davidsuniverse.wordpress.com/

Lets just say that the BA's posting frequency is "spotty" and leave it at that.

Well, he has logged on a couple of times since his "re-instatement", he just hasn't posted. I'm sure he is just taking the time to formulate answers to Serenitudes's questions. (Last sentence with tongue only "slightly" in cheek. )

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He has posted since. Advertising DVD's he sells (thereby going against more than board rules IMO, because of the contents). That thread was removed earlier today.

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Thanks, I did not know that.

edit to add...at least he can't say that he wasn't given a "chance" here.

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Oooooh, naughty!

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Science is a way of thinking much more than it is a body of knowledge--Carl Sagan (1934-1996)

well, a HEADS UP would have been appropriate. At least I am Fair & Give HEADS UP to things to be. ;-)

I not knew what I did was wrong. The effort & the cause is just & not something to be taken out of context of it's purposes. To which I described. I guess my bad. :-)

But the idea & the effort is justified as something that is very much needed & is a great idea & a great thing to do & have available for ALL PEOPLES. Not just IMAGE EXPERTS or scientists that have to work the raw files to see what an image shows.

There was NOTHING Malicious in my post of that topic & I could have edited it. But I guess some just not want to have that seen & existing on the net. But it will be... one way or another. Because again, we ALL should have access to the public available data, & also, the non public Image data, that I am at this moment, trying to work on getting to follow up on my heads up for issues raised in this topic.

I am what you would say, lining my ducks up, to fly in formation, regarding that all. ;-)

MARS REVEALER

Welcome back Mars Revealer.

Feel happy to be among the few to be "unbanned" and use it well.

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Please don't go down that road. Your posts remain intact for all to see, so don't even imply that there is some sort of censorship on this board.

If it's "non public" data, how are you going to get it??

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MarsRevealer, do you plan to address the questions still unanswered in this thread?

MR - please visit the AboutBAUT forum, where you will find a thread containing the rules for posting to this board. Rules everyone here is bound by. One of those rules concerns advertising. I'm not allowed to do it, you're not allowed to do it. Claiming cencorship is absurd. No one is shutting down YOUR site where you are free to distribute such wares.

Now. On to my questions - which are only for starters. I have many, many more for you once you stop blustering and start answering and showing evidence.

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"I have this theory that the Apollo missions were faked when NASA found out that general relativity was wrong because the Earth was expanding due to the Sun's iron core being influenced by magnetic waves from the electric universe after being perturbed by Planet X and thereby causing global warming. Where should I start a thread about this?" ~ ToSeek

"Those are the people that wonder how a thermos knows whether to keep something hot or keep something cold." ~ NeoWatcher

The heads up are in the forum rules, for all to see.

You seem to be quite good at that. Now, we need you to be good at clarity, answering questions, and providing evidence.

Well, now you know

So, you had no evidence before you were challenged? You actually don't possess anything, and are trying to track it down now?

I would think your ducks would already be lined up, to strut about and make such malicious and libelous claims. Maybe, in the future, you should line up your ducks, observe the direction they walk, and base your conclusions upon that

Please do hurry in lining them up, though. You've made several extrordinary claims, and we require evidence and timely answers to direct and pertinent questions. That you have to hunt for evidence, and aren't able to produce answers or evidence immediately when challenged, again speaks volumes to the validity, research, and evidence wrt your theory.

We eagerly await your reasoned and evidentiary answers.

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"I have this theory that the Apollo missions were faked when NASA found out that general relativity was wrong because the Earth was expanding due to the Sun's iron core being influenced by magnetic waves from the electric universe after being perturbed by Planet X and thereby causing global warming. Where should I start a thread about this?" ~ ToSeek

"Those are the people that wonder how a thermos knows whether to keep something hot or keep something cold." ~ NeoWatcher

well, a HEADS UP would have been appropriate.

Your heads-up was post #4 in this thread, where Serenitude welcomed you to the board and instructed you to read the rules. Our rules are strict.

...a great thing to do & have available for ALL PEOPLES. Not just IMAGE EXPERTS or scientists that have to work the raw files to see what an image shows.

Image analysis requires expertise. When it is done inexpertly, the "results" thus created do not help the general public. On the contrary, inexpert attempts at image analysis often create the anomalies that were supposedly discovered, and mislead lay viewers. Just because you have a copy of Adobe Photoshop doesn't mean you are an image analyst.

But I guess some just not want to have that seen & existing on the net.

No, you are not being ideologically suppressed. Your claim simply fails to rise above the eye-mind tricks that are well known to science and often responsible for mistaken identification.

Applying digital image tools inexpertly to pictures until you see faces or bunny rabbits is not scientific. It does not prove what you think is there. If you want to argue that a feature is a regular structure, there are geometric and mathematical formalisms for doing that.

Those formalisms arise precisely to reduce the effects of selective or subjective perception and make a case according to data. They are not, as pseudoscientists have complained, merely the arbitrary means by which fringe claims are rejected. That problem arises from pseudoscientists failing to make a claim that passes the rigor of competing claims. Pseudoscientists effectively argue that the bar should be lowered only for them. That's not how science works. If one's conclusion isn't as good as some other one, it must be rejected.

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JayUtah... No reason to beate anything. It is wrong to advertise fr money. I got that. It is NOT wrong to advertise A Viking Orbiter Image Archive!

That is what my main issue for passing the word out was for about that.
:-)

You said...
"Applying digital image tools inexpertly to pictures until you see faces or bunny rabbits is not scientific."

MR...
Look at that thing you say.
That is NOT what I do, nor what is done to images that show these FACES OF MARS!

They are seen without adding anything to them to make them appear that way. As if by deliberate attempts, just to make them look that way.

If something is in the data, it is in the data!

I get what your saying & appreciate the lesson. Ha ha ha.

However, many argued much of that ado of a MERE SINGLE FACE. Now there are 3 more to add that same logic to. What will reinforce the other?

The naturalists claims & ideas & ideals to dismiss these FACES, or will it in fact reinforce the models of theories of the artificiality of these Faces.

Science is applied by theorizing based upon what one sees & finds also to add reason to what they see. Especially in mulyiple images by varied missions, in the case for the MERE Face at Cydonia! ALL show it is in the data without NEED to manipulate it to look that way. :-/

Now with these 3 new Faces, it upps the ante & reinforces that intelligent interaction to artifical design, for that MERE face at Cy, thus including also these Other ones as well! Because these are seperate features that resemble each other where it was only supposed to be a mere coincidence as the only one like it existing on Mars, in it's shape, design, & evident kinship in structure showing deliberacy to each.

Besides Jay what I said was referencing to the Viking Image data raw files which I am pretty dammed good at processing them. ;-) Thank you very much.

I put up enough so far to show you the way that started this for me regarding these new faces.

The new Faces, the video they came from, much investigation in to that as well, information. etc.

That is enough to chew on a while.
This aint a place anyway where I see civil manners & discussion taking place regarding this topic or me for that matter, as all is being biasedly attacked. Yes I made claims... to get the word out what is to come.

Trust me when I am ready to REVEAL this, Yuz will be the very 1st... to see & know. ;-) I do not want youz to feel left out. Now or later.

Does this mean I can post again for the Viking Archive Project? (without asking for help or mention of DVD's for sale?)

:-/

MR

MR, I caution you to NOT ignore my questions. This is also covered in the rules. Head's up

Please answer my questions.

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"Those are the people that wonder how a thermos knows whether to keep something hot or keep something cold." ~ NeoWatcher