Talk bout being ignored. I spent 30 minutes making a gif animation of Bart Sibrel doing a 360 tornado after being punched by Buzz. It got 20 views but no replies for hours

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Just caught this. Are you saying that you have no official source for these images, and they just came from some video you found? Hoo, boy. If true, that is, of course, utterly useless. Do you now understand that these are fake?

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Someone said much earlier in this thread that we shouldn't talk about a mental health diagnosis, as we're not qualified.

True, but when someone says their evidence is based entirely on secret codes they think they see in an internet movie, well, I'm thinking maybe MR's motivation isn't money.

And actually, I'm not entirely unqualified. I was married to a woman with an MFCC license and I've also seen "A Beautiful Mind." Twice.

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Actually, you would be surprised what people think when they read posts.

Like KaiYeves comment about the zillion watt projector driving Sibrel "back into his mind" had me rolling on the floor. THAT was a good one!

One of those ones I'll hang on to and wait like twenty years for the perfect opportunity to say it
And people will think I'm witty.

Just a lot of times you can't just post everytime you think someones posted a doozy.
Like Zapp's comment about being qualified through osmosis with his wife...
and having seen "A Beautiful Mind. Twice."
Flawless.

Once you post it- Be happy and satisfied in the knowledge that plenty of people out there are enjoying it
(Or in my case, they are hating it...)
Like the unsung hero... or what the heck ever floats your boat.

Yes, a video I discovered these in. That NOT proves they are Fake! You have NO WAY to determine that.

Also, I do have an image number as well. Remember? ;-)

That aside, one needs to watch that video, read what I wrote, (as loony as it sounds) & listen to the testimony as it were,... Of what was said regards to this video, these images, & Hoagland's connection to it all. Plus what I seen & learned of in this code!

Here is the link to watch that video. It is 22 minutes or so.

http://martianrevelationradioshow.bl...incidence.html

If this is & was a spook operation, as the code suggests that it was & still is, then one can assume NOTHING.

But taken into consideration what I been trying to tell you SOME THINGS about, regarding what I learned in this code, & what was testified to,... How can you assume these are fakes??

The ONLY One who can & NEEDS to come clean on it all,.. Is HOAGLAND HIMSELF!!!

That alone I am surprised does NOT get your attentions?! :-/

But that is ok. He aint the big story here. These images are! he is but apart of the explanation to regarding them!!

Being accused as having them. Imagine that!!

Please see & hear the links I posted & read what I wrote. In considering what I say, to at least understand what it is I am trying to say & show.

I agree hard to believe. Trust me! ;-) But there is meat here to that Bone!!

MR,
You didn't read all the above posts that showed quite clearly the erroneous errors in the photo's did you?

And thank you for writing a much shorter post this time. It's your first post that I've seen that I actually read all the way through

You keep telling that for 7 pages until now.
Would you please give us the opportunity to at least smell the bone?
I don't expect you to actually show us the bone for the next 20 pages...

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First, this is your claim, it is up to you to support your claim with evidence. A video with questionable provenance isn't evidence.

Second, as has been noted:

- The "faces" are identical (aside from some image stretching) right down to shadow patterns. This is not consistent with images of separate features taken at different locations at different times.

- The shadows are not consistent in the images between the "face" and surrounding terrain.

- There is evidence of a very clumsy paste job inserting the "face" into an image.

This all says: FAKE. Although you've been asked, you have not responded to these issues.

Third, you have yet to provide references to official images so we can look for ourselves. Speaking of which:

I remember you saying this, but if you've provided the references, I don't recall seeing them. Please either provide a link to the post where you have done so, or provide the references now. Until and unless you can do that, I see nothing else to discuss.

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Apparently MR doesn't, in fact, do a good job of reading the posts directed to him, responding to questions and heeding numerous Moderator warnings.

He's going to take 3 days off to re-read the thread, take the warnings seriously, and work on responding to the questions and issues brought to him

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"Those are the people that wonder how a thermos knows whether to keep something hot or keep something cold." ~ NeoWatcher

I wonder if MR even tried to contact the people of the Sightings production about the episode 103. 5-12 in question to request more info.

So MarsRevealer culled these images from the background of an old TV program, Sightings, aired in 1997? That is quite resourceful.

However, he doesn't realise that the images posted on the wall behind the narrator were simply props, made by the props department to provide a pictorial background to the show. They were simply poor fakes for decorative purposes, which no-one expected the viewer to take seriously.

If I understand the situation correctly, no-one ever presented those images as being authentic; they were just background eye-candy. I believe Marsrevealer has wasted his time.

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I have to say this was one the more amusing, and actually disturbing threads I've read in a while here.

Off Topic, because I really can't add anything more than has already been said by the others. I think that Maksutov should know that his posts are some of those I often look for in a thread. I hope he does not decide to leave the forum.

Esspecially not over somone who in my opion is obviously promoting something he clearly knows is faked for profit or is so out there he isn't aware he is shucking someone elses con down people's throats.

Please Maksutov stick around!

Just my two cents.

Vons

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Looking at the image he put on this page, I could only think of one thing:

Regis Philbin!

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That NOT proves they are Fake!

The proof that they are fake does not depend on where they came from. They are fake because they are internally inconsistent. The lighting is grossly inconsistent on the features. And there is evidence consistent with clumsy digital manipulation.

You have NO WAY to determine that.

Actually I do.

Also, I do have an image number as well. Remember? ;-)

You have been asked countless times to provide citations for these photographs in the standard repositories. Hopefully when you return, you will do that. No one is obliged to believe the photos that appear in the background of a television program are necessarily authentic photos of Mars.

That aside, one needs...

There is no aside. Your evidence is without provenance and easily shown to be fake. Unless you're prepared either to defend the photographs as genuine by refuting the evidence of fakery, or to eliminate them entirely from your case, there is little more to discuss. If these photographs form the basis of your argument, then your argument clearly fails no matter how much else you say.

...then one can assume NOTHING.

Hogwash. It's always proper to assume there is no conspiracy and await proof that there is.

However, I will correct one previous statement: it appears you are not the creator of these images, and as such are not likely to be in danger of committing fraud if you should happen to sell them or your analysis based on them -- provided you are honest about how you came by them.

How can you assume these are fakes??

We are not assuming they are fakes. The proof of forgery has been described to you by several people. That proof is strong enough, in my opinion, to hold up in a court. It is not an assumption but rather a conclusion drawn on the basis of evidence.

But that is ok. He aint the big story here. These images are!

There is no question that the images are fake. If they are the big story, then there isn't one.

Trust me! ;-)

What exactly makes you trustworthy?

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Ah Mars Revealer, Gary, its been a long time since I became annoyed, confused and my eyes crossed while trying to read one of your rants - you haven't changed a bit. How are you doing old posting buddy?

(comments to the board) I've 'known' MR for about ten years.

1. His writing style is fake, he does it for effect, he really can write normally.

2. What you see is what you get, it won't get any better (IMHO) he can go on for years saying about the same thing but essentially saying nothing at all.

3. Gary is known to his friends as an eccentric, odd, sometimes taken as threatening but by and by shown to be just a dude whose taken another path outside the box, beyond of our parameters and pretty much in his own dimension.

4. You can try but I'd predict you'll get nothing coherent out of him, I tried for years but got nothing but a sore brain trying to understand his rants.

5. Gary, if you come back and read this. This is your old posting buddy from tbe Mars Discussion board. This is a REAL science board, these guys and gals are serious about science, they don't react well to your, er, ah "style". They're not here for entertainment but for information.

Regards

Hans

I think that Maksutov should know that his posts are some of those I often look for in a thread.

Agreed. And as I said, it was his post showing the inconsistency in lighting direction that prompted me to point out that I had similar evidence pertaining to two of the remaining three. I was merely following the thread in the direction Maksutov had taken it. Overshadowing his study or neglecting it was the opposite of my intent. I see now I should have specifically referenced his post in mine.

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First off: MR's posts are very difficult to make sense of, as they are rambling, grammar-free, and filled with non-sequitars.

Second of all, this quote:

sounds like an ad for a new kind of sandwich at McD's.

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What effect was he hoping to achieve?...irrationality??

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One word:

Debunked

And Mak - you're often my sanity with your well-timed PMs just when I need them Not to mention your tremendous contributions to the forum! I knew they were fake, but lack the photo manipulation skills to prove it. YOU did, and Jay verified it. You're not only not being ignored, but your image is the defacto standard upon which we're resting our reputations

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Gary,

I'm withdrawing from the discussion. Mainly as you cannot seem to put two words together coherently. From what someone said that knows you from mars forums, it's done intentionally.

Plainly put, and I am -not- saying you are one, but your writing style makes your ideas look like something presented by a blithering idiot. Sorry to be blunt but thats how it looks.

Anyway, instead of deciphering anymore of it, going to move on to other discussions.

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What about my observations? I feel so.... ignored!

Can anybody hear me?!!!

HELLO?!

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A slight inclination of the cranium is as adequate as a spasmodic movement of one optic towards an equinine quadruped utterly devoid of any visionary capacity.

Did someone just post something? Sorry Rad, couldn't help myself.

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I'm like one of those idiot savants...well, except for the savant part.
"In order to increase awareness of the homeless, security have been given binoculars."

I´m very late on this thread. And I´m not sure that I´ve read all the posts in detail. But has nobody realized that the martian face is looking towards Iapetus? Wondering abaout the plane that landed in the small crater right to the very big one in this picture?

http://www.raumfahrer.net/news/image...ngside_big.jpg

You may have to store the picture on your PC and enlarge it. But then you clearly will see the Boeing, or is it an Airbus, or a Focker, or ...
I guess it´s due to the low gravity on Iapetus that it hasn´t been destroyed when landing

And don´t blame for plane-pareidolia !!

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1 + e^i*pi = 0

Oh, your finding of the clumsy paste job has been mentioned more than once. For that matter, I pointed out that four images showed the same shadow pattern on the "face," despite supposedly being separate images taken at separate times, another obvious indication that these were fakes. I haven't seen others discuss that point too often.

I don't worry about it, though. I realize that sometimes people notice bits but don't respond if they don't have anything to add.

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Oh, looks like I joined the fun too late.

What's interesting is that the faces don't appear to be the same.

In particular "B" has a very different feature than the rest.

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A slight inclination of the cranium is as adequate as a spasmodic movement of one optic towards an equinine quadruped utterly devoid of any visionary capacity.

Could you specify the feature you are referring to? My impression was that there was some slight manipulation, like vertical stretching on D, blurring on A, etc.

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Aaah as I remember it he developed that to hide one of his "sock puppets" and found that style annoyed normal people so much that he continued it. However that was about 8-10 years ago and I didn't take notes.

A poster here named Donald or Algorithyms also knew him at that time. He might still be around here too.

You can listen to his internet radio broadcasts and draw your own conclusions.

I think he's refering to the appearance of a more "upturned" nostril, although that would be a byproduct of verticle stretching and the fact that b is a better resolution than the others.

As for the various appearances of the surrounding areas; the "heal" tool that comes in the newer versions of photoshop (basically a revamped "stamp" tool) is a miracle worker, particularly when dealing with images high in compression artifacts/random features.

And don't forget, I have image number! ALL hail the SYSTEM!

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I'm like one of those idiot savants...well, except for the savant part.
"In order to increase awareness of the homeless, security have been given binoculars."

The "eyes" in D look different than the rest, so does the "nose" and other features.

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