Yah...it's not that bright, tho. Basically, the idea is how much harder to have to work to see each object on the list. And I know, the jumps are hardly arranged in equal-sized steps!

But it almost startles me anew, each time I sit out around dusk, just how long I have to wait before it stops being "one to five" stars in the sky, to something resembling actual, say, constellations.

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Although I usually see it after sunset or before sunrise.

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"Carl Sagan sent a message to ET,
Neil Armstrong walked in the Sea of Tranquility
Steve Squyers built Spirit and Opportunity
Dan Haylen upchucked in zero gravity." -Brent Simon, The Space Camp Song

As someone who has been to Standley Chasm on more than one occasion (and it's about 260 ft deep, not 500!) I can confirm that you do NOT see the stars when you are standing at the bottom in the daytime-just the glorious blue Central Australian sky

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I once read (or saw on T.V. - I don't actually remember) that well diggers could sometimes see the stars.

I guess that is also a myth - and I need to stop re-telling it.

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You can see the stars from a deep well, but only the very brightest ones.
Not much more than about five or so, IIRC.
To see one of them it has to move directly over your well.
So a vast sky on or two stars on it and this little star has to move over your limited angle of view. Not very likely, but possible.

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I could go there and check during my Xmas leave, if interested. I have never been to the Alice before, so it might be fun.

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Ooops! Disregard my last post then.

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Lonewulf

A story.
Years ago, I noted Venus's position in the sky over several, cloud free days.
One day, a couple of hours before sunset, with the sky still blue, I looked in an area that I figured Venus was at. And behold! I saw it. It was very hard to make out, but I did see a tiny, pinpoint of light. It, of course, got progressivly brighter as dusk set in, confirming my observation.

I wonder if this is the sort of thing hoax believers will EVER take the time to do.

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Godspeed, John Glenn. - Scott Carpenter

And these atomic bombs that science burst upon the world that night were strange even to the men that used them.
- H.G Wells, The World Set Free

To the conspiracy crowd, radiation is a big Boogey Man that inspires terror and death in all who encounter it. - JayUtah

Naahhhh,
They would have to leave the house and actually do some observing on their own.
We all know that THE TRUTH^TM can only be found on some wacky Internet-Boards.

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Baroness Marie von Ebner-Eschenbach 1830-1916

Naahhhh,
They would have to leave the house and actually do some observing on their own.

There was a guy over on apollohoax who insisted that Neil Armstrong couldn't have covered up the Earth with his gloved thumb. After pages of calculations and even taking some pictures of my thumb held up next to the Moon, he actually, finally relented. (Only to flame out in a burst of profanity about five seven! dozen pages into another thread which started with him mentioning his "physics degree" from an unspecified college, and included the famous bit about the "searing radiation hell" which would have killed the astronauts.)

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Like this one.
No, wait- they can't handle the truth.

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Rovers forever! - ToSeek
"Carl Sagan sent a message to ET,
Neil Armstrong walked in the Sea of Tranquility
Steve Squyers built Spirit and Opportunity
Dan Haylen upchucked in zero gravity." -Brent Simon, The Space Camp Song

I've seen it about 4pm, but the sky is a little darker then than at midday. I haven't looked for it during the middle of the day though, usually too busy.

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You can't reason an irrational person out of an irrational belief. --- Noclevername

Apollo: The History and the Hoax
Enter the World of Athran

I tried to take a photo of the Southern Cross when I was in Oz to show my mom. Unfortunately, my picture was completley dark, so the developing center threw it out. Will the HBer's claim that my trip to Australia never happened and I was in low Earth orbit the entire time?

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Rovers forever! - ToSeek
"Carl Sagan sent a message to ET,
Neil Armstrong walked in the Sea of Tranquility
Steve Squyers built Spirit and Opportunity
Dan Haylen upchucked in zero gravity." -Brent Simon, The Space Camp Song

You have to use a long exposure time, this one was about 15 seconds:

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It must be fun to lead a life completely unburdened by reality. --- JayUtah

You can't reason an irrational person out of an irrational belief. --- Noclevername

Apollo: The History and the Hoax
Enter the World of Athran

Oohps- forgot to mention that I was using a disposeable. I don't own a real camera.

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"If you think the LHC will create black holes, you might as well believe Hobbits are at the bottom of your garden."- Dr. Mike Inglis
Rovers forever! - ToSeek
"Carl Sagan sent a message to ET,
Neil Armstrong walked in the Sea of Tranquility
Steve Squyers built Spirit and Opportunity
Dan Haylen upchucked in zero gravity." -Brent Simon, The Space Camp Song

Well if you want, I'll take one for next time we have a nice clear night and you can claim it as yours.

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It must be fun to lead a life completely unburdened by reality. --- JayUtah

You can't reason an irrational person out of an irrational belief. --- Noclevername

Apollo: The History and the Hoax
Enter the World of Athran

Yes, your trip to Australia never happened.

You came from another star and all you have is a disposable camera. Your people need to spend a little more on equipment.

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I got a half-decent (ie- you could see what it was... just) pic of an partial eclipse with a disposable camera in a sock.Yes.
Point and shoot was exactly right, but I did get a picture- about as good as if I had traced it with one of those tissue paper viewer boxes.... but a lot smaller. Yay for steam-powered science!

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