This one of those all of science is a conspiracy because it does not agree with my view of the world so it all been faked by a small group of individuals who contron all the equipment, people and agencies, which makes alot more sense to me.

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The entire OP is lacking. MM's answers are lacking.

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The problem with that idea is that there are a lot of things that folks can check if they want to. We've already seen some of the examples here: Pictures of the ISS in orbit. Pictures of other spacecraft. You can go to a shuttle launch. You can listen to the double sonic boom and watch it land. You can track satellites in orbit and watch them fly overhead (that includes the shuttle and ISS). You can build a radio receiver, as some did, who picked up signals from Apollo and some space probes. You can compare the motions of planets and asteroids to non-geocentric calculations. And so on.

Of course, if you don't bother to test anything . . . well, too bad.

I'm still waiting to hear why Geocentrism doesn't allow for a shuttle or a space station, or why (even with Geocentrism) nobody could land on the moon.

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Why and what is your evidence? There is a great deal of evidence, some of which has been presented here that refutes your contention. Will you address that?

Why not these specifically, as opposed to what you declare to be hoaxes?

The Luna 1 line doesn't "define" anything meaningful. Again, why are these hoaxes and what is your evidence? There is yet more evidence that fatally undermines your assertion. You've got your work cut out for you.

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At this point it is a good idea to recall this:
Science
Can you provide any of my statements in any of my blogs which are not backed by a scientific method?
In fact the goal of many of my blogs is to expose the illuminati junk science.

Future
I don't claim to be able to predict the future a la Nostradamus. In fact I have a blog exposing why the charlatan Nostradamus was so massively used by the illuminati.
I claim that the key events of the last leg of Illuiminati End Times (which BTW begun July 1914) are predictable due to scientifc Laws.
These extremely simple Laws I named End Times Reductionism.
They serve as well to expose End Times Conspiracies like for instance the Space Exploration Hoax.

In fact the goal of many of my blogs is to expose the illuminati junk science.

Since when does asking for evidence constitute "junk science?"

They serve as well to expose End Times Conspiracies like for instance the Space Exploration Hoax.

...for which you apparently have absolutely no proof.

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It would be better to recall the post immediately after that, which was a reminder from a moderator to start providing evidence for the claims you have made here. This is your thread, many of us have asked you for your evidence, and trying to dance around that isn't going to get you very far around here.

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The question at hand isn't your blogs, to which you so gleefully link.

Why are the Shuttle, ISS, beyond Earth satellites/probes hoaxes? Why can nothing orbit other planets? (aside from their resident moons)...

I for on am very confused at what you are claiming...

At this point it is a good idea to recall this: the onus is on you to provide evidence for your assertions. I have asked for it more than once, as have others.

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This was your original claim...which doesn't include the well documented and oft seen ISS and Shuttles, which you claim also as hoaxes..

Let's see, for each of type of hoax previously referred:
- how difficult it is to create it;
- how credible is the evidence presented;
- verifiability and cross examination.

First type: what anyone is supposed to be able to see with their own eyes or with a telescope, sometimes even several times a day.

This material can be produced with cheap software in one hour.
Now you present this material to a statiscally significant group of amateur astronomers, say 50.
How many will say "Wow, I tried it so many times so hard and I never managed to get it?"

Are you trying to claim this can't be verified?

This material can be produced with cheap software in one hour
you should know.

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I'm saying the credibility is zero, i.e. any of these amateur astronomers will say that.
If one of them will claim otherwise, the result of the verifiability test will be negative, i.e. in case he will be willing to shoot these images in the presence of other people, there will be no such images as result.

That is a pretty wild assumption on your part.

Do you have ANY
Let me repeat this...
ANY
evidence, whatsoever, to prove this claim?

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Say what??? You're saying?? Who are you to evaluate credibility on this board??

The only conclusion I can come to is that you have just strongly implied that NGCHunter is a liar. You need to apologise, and you need to do that QUICKLY.

edit to add....Jim posted while I was writing

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Anyone can post any faked video to youtube or any other site for that matter.
The evidence Neverfly is asking for is not about me calling someone else a liar.
It is about anyone who wants to check if this possible doing what I suggested him to do, i.e. join an astronomy club and do the test I specified.

Matt...
the ISS sighting opportunties are published a week or two in advance. Many amature spotters use this to watch it pass overhead. I am confident that the photogs use it as well to plan their photo shots.
If this isn't the ISS I see pass overhead (simultaneously seen by those hundreds of miles away and being photographed) what are we looking at, that so closely resembles the current ISS? Tell us, please?

How will that prove anything?
NGCHunter has taken those photos.

If I go join the club- succussfully take a photo too...

You will only call me a liar too.

You have seriously crossed a line here. This post effectively accuses NGCHunter of lying. As a long-term amateur astronomer who has also imaged the ISS, I take strong exception to your misguided and inappropriate implication.

I call on you to either produce evidence that these images have been manufactured, or withdraw this allegation & apologise.

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Again this is something that anyone can test. The results of my test is that there is no ISS. If your results are different for you, fine, but it still does not change my results.

So because you were incapable of finding it- then everyone must be and those who do find it must be lying?

I cannot build an airplane. I haven't clue one how to build one. Boeing must be a conspiracy.

Manners, Matt...manners.

The people here have treated you very kindly given the fact that you make outlandish statements but you won't provide supportive evidence.

But there's only so much "kindness" this board will allow you before action is taken.

Thing is that you simply don't come on this board and start calling other posters liars. That you don't seem to understand that is irrelevant...you need to apologize.

edit to add...just noticed his banning...I know it's wrong to say "I'm glad", but that's how I feel.

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MattMarriot is going to take 3 day off, to peruse the forums and gain an understanding in how to answer direct, pertinent questions. He is going to realize he does not control the flow of the conversation, nor is he at liberty to decide what and what does not get discussed. He will realize that by joining, posting, and having been directed by me to read the forum rules, he is required to directly answer all questions.

He will also stop playing games. He will produce actual evidence, not play hangman, or make cryptic references. He will also brush up on civility decorum, and will either make a full apology to NGCHunter, or verifiably prove him wrong. Amatuer astronomy clubs regularly DO gather and DO take similar pictures, in front of each other. This is verifiable, and negates his initial reply to Moderator Jim, and subsequently broke his warning.

If he does not come to know these things in his 3 days off, he will be banned for life without another warning.

I have removed Occam's post. Occam - I can certainly understand your frustration, but in the future please simply refrain from reading or posting if these threads produce that kind of visceral reaction. As you are a very valued member in excellent standing, I'm making this a freindly reminder

Please continue with the thread.

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"Those are the people that wonder how a thermos knows whether to keep something hot or keep something cold." ~ NeoWatcher

What is your test, in detail? Does it explain what millions are seeing, and photographing, on a clear schedule based on Newtonian mechanics?

And NGCHunter, myself and no doubt others on this board have performed this test and achieved a successful result.

The logical conclusion is that your test was flawed. Could you please indicate the equipment that you used, the film ASA and exposure (if you used film), or processing software (if the images were captured electronically).

Until then, an apology to NGCHunter is still outstanding.

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Since ole Matt is on a break, let me add a lil off topic that I thought NGCHunter's photo's were great.

I loved the one with the shuttle esspecially.

Vons

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I see banned under his name, so I doubt he will answer.

Reading a few of his blogs (which was probably his reason for posting, to get hits) today, he basically calls a great number of people on earth---past and present, liars.

Documented history? All a hoax, exposed worldwide first by Hydro.

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NGCHunter, what do you use to "schedule" your photo opportunities?

So, there is something up there that looks like an ISS and a shuttle, as appropriate per the flight schedule. I suspect that the size of the object can be fairly accurately estimated based on the instrument used. And the Shuttle/ISS always shows up on schedule, to me and a friend in ABQ, NM, simultaneously.
If it's a hoax, it's a big one, and it changes over time according to the assembly schedule, based on the numerous photos I've seen.
Like the Moon Hoax, the theory is at least as difficult to achieve as the claimed mission.
Beautiful catch, NGC...my ancient C-8 just doesn't hack such tracking...