So on the one hand, the government goes to great lengths to maintain the hoax. The government spends *billions* of dollars to make all kinds of fake evidence, including paying NGCHunter to hang out on a dark, obscure corner of the internet. But on the other hand, the government can't spend a few thousand dollars to make MM die of a "heart attack"
Because, you're using logic. There's no room for logic in these kind of fantasy worlds. And believe me, I've seen plenty of CTers who would gladly by the martyr if it meant the truth would be out. But they never will be because there's no real danger, because there's no such organization. But the idea that they're "living on the edge" and "in danger at all times" is part of what drives a lot of CTers. It adds excitement into their otherwise pointless pursuit of a Truth(tm) that simply doesn't exist. But that's getting into CT psychology, which is a whole discussion in and of itself.

edit: ran spell check. And since i'm in here editing I'll add, I second that Tucson_Tim!

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"In order to increase awareness of the homeless, security have been given binoculars."

When it comes to the internet it's like the universe. While the websites you visit may seem large and lightens everything (like our Sun), in the end it's not more than just another star in the sky for someone else. If it's even visible.

I need to work on that metaphor.

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And the really funny thing is that this super secret organization, that is so powerful that it can control much (all?) of the world and can perpetrate a conspiracy so big that it seems to break the laws of physics, but it can all be revealed by some guy searching around the internet (or however MM uncovered all this) and with all ther power they can't silence him.

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I thought Matt Marriot came and went a long time ago on this board, or was that at apollohoax?

Pete

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There's so much I don't know about astrophysics. I wish I had read that book by that wheelchair guy.

No, I also was under that impression (see my post about halfway up the page). When I saw a thread in CT started by him, I assumed that someone had resurected an old thread. Then when I saw that it was actually a new thread, I searched around the rest of the forum. You can find another thread titled "[x] revealed first by Matt Marriot!" (now locked) and one called "The Matt Marriot thread" started by someone else. The one started by Matt was nearly identical with this one, except it was a 9/11 conspiracy (IIRC?). But that conversation like this one are the kind that, as Jay Utah so memorably put it, might as well have been about "Cheeze Wiz", and you'd still be left with the same conversations.

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I'm like one of those idiot savants...well, except for the savant part.
"In order to increase awareness of the homeless, security have been given binoculars."

I think I still prefer my "ultimate" conspiracy though. Nobody could debunk it effectively up to now, maybe because it is essencially solipsism reworded...

(That ultimate conspiracy is that YOU are the only thing not part of the conspiracy. Everybody and everything else is part of that big conspiracy. Don't talk about it to others, they are part of it too. The only one not part of it is you.)

Perhaps we should consider the possiblity that Matt himself is a covert operative in the employ of the Illuminati, paid to play his part so over the top that he discredits all detractors.

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We don't have the eggs for it? I think that misses the manly metaphor you intended.

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I live down here with a lot of Hispanics - take my word for it - this word is used too. It has to do with eggs (chicken eggs) being approx the same shape and size. I know the the other word of which you speak.

Take a look at this. Search for "huevos".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cojones

NO, YOU'RE JUST SAYING THAT TO CONFUSE ME!!!!! ALL OF YOU ARE TRYING TO CONFUSE ME!!!!!!! They are listening to this RIGHT NOW!!!

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How can one have a discussion on a flicker of light?
From BAUT, your forum is just a flicker of light. Actually, this is the darkest forum I've ever seen.
Dark? But the moderators have selected bright colors for this forum.
Don't you ever think about anything besides the moderators?
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What is... babbling?
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(I'm sure that's not too obscure a reference for this crowd)

Two quick things:

First, beautiful roses can bloom from... er... fertilizer. If not for this thread, I would never have seen the wonderful ISS pictures taken from the ground. Amazing! Just like some other recent thread where the actual topic was a complete waste, but I learned all about auto-pilots and navy rum.

Second, is the government doing enough to help? ("hip" workplace safe video.)

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Not that I expect a real answer when he gets back, but this puzzled me too. Geocentrism or not, complaints about lunar landings or not, Matt has said he accepts that satellites exist. So what's the big deal with the Shuttle and ISS?

By the way, I took a look at the blogs, and it was, not surprisingly, just more of the same: Claims without substance.

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Whoops my bad I typed before I really looked at the second image. I have seen an image similar to this one.





I must've mentally added the shuttle to the image. I was sleepy and this thread had my head spinning a bit.

I did enjoy your images though and will look forward to any additions you add to the other section

Vons

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"I have this theory that the Apollo missions were faked when NASA found out that general relativity was wrong because the Earth was expanding due to the Sun's iron core being influenced by magnetic waves from the electric universe after being perturbed by Planet X and thereby causing global warming. Where should I start a thread about this?" ~ ToSeek

"Those are the people that wonder how a thermos knows whether to keep something hot or keep something cold." ~ NeoWatcher

I was wondering that myself. Perhaps he thinks that it's impossible to pressurise a vessle enough to keep space out and oxygen in. I'd make the obvious reference to presurised aircraft but it'd probably be a waste of typing since they aren't actually in space. So I'll just sing a nice aria while we await his return. Ahem - O Solo mio, I want a pizzo. herrbleehh

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That sounds familiar.

Very familiar.

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Yeah, I saw those. I was hoping Matt would elaborate a little more with some pressure

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"I have this theory that the Apollo missions were faked when NASA found out that general relativity was wrong because the Earth was expanding due to the Sun's iron core being influenced by magnetic waves from the electric universe after being perturbed by Planet X and thereby causing global warming. Where should I start a thread about this?" ~ ToSeek

"Those are the people that wonder how a thermos knows whether to keep something hot or keep something cold." ~ NeoWatcher

That's what he WANTS you to think!!... Unless he knows that you know, and wants you NOT to think that... On the other hand, if we were in Australia, it would be ...inconceivable!

PS, those really are cool pics, NGCHunter.

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"The Mayan symbol for "book" looks a lot like a triple hamburger, but I've never seen them claiming it as proof the Mayans had Big Macs." - KaiYeves
"Distance doesn’t matter much in space, where if you just start a thing off with the right kind of shove, sooner or later it will get where you want it to go." -Frederik Pohl, Mining the Oort

So, has an actual hoax theory been proposed yet, with evidence?

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Hopefully we'll get one when MM returns. So far, I think that MM claimed that some spacecraft are real, but others aren't. As far as I know, no reason has been given, but some secret society is behind the allegedly hoaxed satellites.

As for which spacecraft are real versus which ones are faked, it seems that satellites above a certain altitude (the Moon?) are allegedly fake, as is anything that has left Earth orbit. Any orbiting satellite below this altitude is real, with the exception of the Shuttle and ISS. Since it is clearly demonstrable that these exist (I've seen both on-orbit with my naked eye), maybe he really means that the fact that they are manned is hoaxed. That is pure speculation on my part, though.

MM's hoax theory may be based on a claim that the heliocentric view of the solar system is false and he is therefore espousing some version of geocentrism. The last time I checked, geocentrism was debunked around 1600 AD when Galileo spotted the moons of Jupiter and the phases of Venus.

Of course, I may not have gotten this right. MM's posts are exceedingly difficult for me to decipher (Hence, my previous post referencing the "chicken" presentation.)

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(I wonder who'll get the reference...)

On this board, probably a lot.

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"If this were play'd upon a stage now, I could condemn it as an improbable fiction."
Shakespeare, Twelfth Night
"The Mayan symbol for "book" looks a lot like a triple hamburger, but I've never seen them claiming it as proof the Mayans had Big Macs." - KaiYeves
"Distance doesn’t matter much in space, where if you just start a thing off with the right kind of shove, sooner or later it will get where you want it to go." -Frederik Pohl, Mining the Oort

I'm not sure that he covered it here in this thread, but on his blogs he claims that the shuttle is a "dummy" that "takes off" from a hidden base a couple hours before landing and swoops in to give the illusion that something came back from space. To my knowledge he has not addressed the issue of shuttle launches and what those "really are" according to his hoax theory (sub-orbital drones? I mean, I guess if you were to assume that the earth isn't spinning and everything just rotates around us, you'd calculate the delta v needed to reach orbit as greater than if you launch with the real rotation of the earth...), but based on his opinion of landings it seems to exclude the possibility that each mission is "real" but unmanned.

I almost forgot about the phases of venus though, great point. According to geocentrism, we should only ever see a crescent Venus from Earth... yet I took a picture of Venus just over 50% illuminated.



At the risk of being called a liar again... here it is.

Bold mine:
Yes, the reason has been given.

MattMarriot believes in Geocentrism.

He, therefore, is searching for any evidence he can muster to claim that all things that disprove geocentrism are false, hoaxes,don't exist or a brilliant scheme of the Illuminati.

This is about the same as believing that the Jolly Green Giant is God and claiming that all churches and canneries are an elaborate Illuminati hoax.

You mean the Jolly Green Giant isn't God?!

I'm totaly crushed. Think i'll go eat some veggies and wallow around in self pity for a while.

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Yes, that's been mentioned. However, just saying the word "Geocentrism" doesn't answer the many questions that have been raised. Even most Geocentrists realize that one must deal with evidence that is available to anyone that looks up in the sky. They may have some interesting (and unlikely) arguments for their position, but they usually do at least have arguments. Matt hasn't explained his version of Geocentrism at all. Also, we're still waiting to find out why the ISS (in LEO) supposedly isn't actually there, even though he allows for satellites.

Given the scale of evidence that Matt wants to deny, at least tens, and probably hundreds of millions of people would have to be in this Illuminati, incidentally including most BAUT members.

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Around here, the bigger question is who wouldn't get the reference.

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Aw, just let him babble on 'til 5!

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