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A friend and I are having a debate about our year vs mayan calendar.
He says we are really now in 2012 because out cal is 5 years off according to the birth of christ. He gave me links with his approach. I do not know enough about mayan/greorian to debunk him, can anyone clear this up for me. Thank You http://www.tprconline.com/index.php?topic=27238.10;wap2 Post made on Quote from: McAirman on August 30, 2007, 12:11:18 AM also this site http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread268417/pg1
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I may have not explained myself well enough.
What I mean is he says that we are now in the year 2012 which is the end of the mayan calendar. Which means that 2012 really equals 2007 which is now Sorry I wasnt clear
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Yeah, I got that. Sorry, mine was more a random observation than an answer; I don't know how the two systems compair. Tel him to stock up on extra canned goods and bottled water just in case.
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The Mayan's didn't use the birth of Christ to set up their calendar, so when it was encountered by Europeans, it was correlated with the European calendar1. So, the start corresponds to our Gregorian August 11, 3114 BC. If the Gregorian calendar is off and we have to add five years to all dates, then we are "really" at 2012, but the Mayan calendar "ends" (actually, restarts) five years later too, in 2017. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesoame...Count_calendar |
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Oh oh oh! I think I can use some deductive reasoning to answer your question, however. I don't believe the Mayans numbered their years, like our current date system. In otherwords, I don't think the tribesmemberes dated their checks, 114th of Autunmous, 1601.
The Mayan calander is simply a record of patterns related to the earth's movement, which can be translated to days. Therefore, when it's said that the Mayan calander ends in 2012, they mean that the record of days runs out in what would be our 2012. Or to put it another way, the calander was said to end in 2012 by the person or persons who translated it in terms of their calander, the Gregorian calender. So to answer your question, the end of the Mayan calander is (most likely, IMHO) still in OUR 2012.
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What threads? And whos reasoning? It's hard to tell where anyone gets their reasoning, or even if they're using reason (and for the record, "I saw it on the 'net" is not reasoning).
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I didnt say it was actual reasoning I said there reasoning. For example that if christ was really born 5 years earlier, then our calendar is 5 years off, but if the mayans did not believe in god then there calendar would be accurate which would make our 2007 there 2012. atleast that is what I understood from my links I gave.
Or am I just confused on all this.
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seeing as the Mayan calander was found and translated (or described) in terms of Gergorian years well after the birth or death of christ, I don't see how it would make a difference one way or the other if we were off five years. Their calender is not based off him; what are the chances that their calander was also then started within 5 years of his birth? They just happened to start keeping track of years arround that same time? What were they basing their start of the year on?
I'd still say it's pretty safe to assume that when it's understood that the Mayan calendar runs out in 2012, that's OUR 2012 being used to describe that.
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Let me see if I can word it correctly.
AFAIK, the Mayan calendar years were not numbered 0 (or 1) to 2012. The Mayan calandar was a set of divisions that accurately accounted for days and years based on the earth's orbit around the sun (like the Gregorian calender we use today). For all I know, the start of each Mayan year might have been April 23rd on our calendars. I don't know how the years were broken down other than by number of days. But it's not important, because we don't talk about the Mayan calendar in terms of Mayan dates. We talk about the Mayan calendar in terms of Gergorian dates. The year that Christ was born compared to the year we based our calendar on has no bearing on how we describe the calendar in our terms. Another way to look at it is this: when they looked at the calander, instead of thinking in terms of years, think in terms of days. They didn't just look at the calendar and say, "It says it stops in 2012". They said "There's 1000 days left on this calender. In 1000 days it will be 2012. This calendar ends in 2012" (obviously it was more than 1000). It really doesn't matter when we started counting years on our calender, the Mayan calender ends 1000 days later relative to ours. So unless our calender changes sometimes between when we discover it and when it ends, the result will always be the same. Ergo, the Mayan calendar ends in OUR year 2012.
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But the key question from bmpbmp is how to align the two calendars. I know we have talked about this before and I even posted some links. I'm going to be somewhat lazy and not search them out again, but they are somewhere in the forum. I did find this explanation of the correlation. From the linked article: Quote:
@bmpbmp - I don't mean this in a rude way, but So What. There is absolutely no reason to believe that the Mayans had any particular insight into the end of the world and there is no particular reason to think that the Mayans thought anything more of the end of a Calendar Round then we did of the year 2000. Other than the potential (unfullfilled) of computer problems, the world didn't end in 2000 either. I don't see why it matters.
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A question though: Are any prominent groups thinking of ways to push this past 2012? As in: "No, it isn't really 2012 when bad stuff is supposed to happen, it's 2015 (or 16 or 17)."
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