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Fired NASA Whistleblower to Reveal New Apollo Secrets Kept Classified by Space Agency for Over 40 Years.

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Dr. Ken Johnston, former Manager of the Data and Photo Control Division at NASA's Lunar Receiving Laboratory during the manned Apollo Lunar Exploration Effort in the 1970's, was abruptly terminated Tuesday morning, October 23rd, from NASA's prestigious "Solar System Ambassador" (SSA) Program at JPL. The firing was direct reprisal for Johnston's published account in a New York Times Best Seller, "Dark Mission: the Secret History of NASA," of how NASA ordered him, 40 years ago, to destroy key Apollo lunar images and data -- rather than allow them to be preserved for academic study and public view. Johnston will testify at an Enterprise Mission sponsored National Press Club news conference this Tuesday, October 30th (Zenger Room, 9:00 AM) , how he disobeyed these NASA orders, secretly preserving the critical Apollo images. Johnston will then show some of the "missing" Apollo frames -- which confirm the existence of long-rumored "ancient artificial ruins and technology on the Moon," discovered by the Apollo astronauts but legally classified under the 1958 Space Act by NASA for over 40 years.

Johnston will be joined by Richard C. Hoagland, former NASA consultant and CBS News Science Science Advisor during the Apollo lunar missions. Hoagland is coauthor of "Dark Mission: The Secret History of NASA," and head of The Enterprise Mission. Hoagland will present an imaging analysis of Johnston's 40-year-old rescued Apollo images, comparing them to modern versions apparently currently being "leaked" by other "whistleblowers" on official NASA websites. He will also demonstrate and analyze one of the secret technologies retrieved by the Apollo crews, relating to the artificial control of gravity.
See also http://www.enterprisemission.com/NPC2007.htm

I'll refrain from commenting on the rest of it, but being a "Solar System Ambassador" isn't all that prestigious - it's a one-year volunteer position doing public outreach for JPL.
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Now that's one press conference I wish I could be at!.... ...wait, no I don't.

Particularly since it was held at 9:00am...that's much too early in the morning to have my head implode.
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This is simply more of Hoagland's (and company's) characteristic inflation of affiliations, honors, and credentials, much like his self-award of the Angstrom Medal (of which he is the sole awardee), likely in the hope that it would be confused with the prestigious Angstrom Prize, for which Hoagland is ineligible and didn't win.

The Solar System Ambassador program is hardly prestigious. Anyone with an interest in space exploration can become one. The Solar System Ambassadors are simply people who volunteer as local resources for space-related education, and thus appropriately identified by NASA's PR department. The only requirement for affiliation is the submission of a biography and contact information to NASA Headquarters, so that requests for local help can be dispatched accordingly. One does not actually need even to do anything. There is no education or experience requirement to becoming a Solar System Ambassador. It's more for the benefit of the participant than for NASA.

Since Johnston is clearly biting the hand that feeds him, his severance from the Ambassador's program is hardly unexpected. Johnston apparently has little more than his word for his claim that he was ordered to destroy original NASA data from Apollo. Alleged insiders with allegedly never-before-seen Apollo data that no one else has ever seen or heard of, and about which everyone else is supposedly sworn to secrecy, is the biggest scam in the book. From the reader's point of view there is nothing that differentiates that from someone simply having made stuff up.
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First of all, my eyes!! (enterprisemission link). The background interferes with the text in ways I never thought possible, and on top of that there's Capitals Being Used as far as the eye can see.

Second, my brain!!

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Japan is currently in lunar orbit with the most sophisticated lunar mission since Apollo.
I propose we start a conspiracy theory in which we accuse RCH of being an illuminati who accidentally talked about the ultra secret space program that launched the whole of Japan into lunar orbit. What? It's only using his own tactics.
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I could have made it if I'd known about it ahead of time. How disappointing to miss one of the truly Earth-shaking events of our time.

(Pauses briefly to collect himself)

Darn, looks like I missed the "Monsters from Congress" press conference too.
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Since Johnston is clearly biting the hand that feeds him, his severance from the Ambassador's program is hardly unexpected. Johnston apparently has little more than his word for his claim that he was ordered to destroy original NASA data from Apollo. Alleged insiders with allegedly never-before-seen Apollo data that no one else has ever seen or heard of, and about which everyone else is supposedly sworn to secrecy, is the biggest scam in the book. From the reader's point of view there is nothing that differentiates that from someone simply having made stuff up.
According to our own James Oberg, Johnston dropped out of the Ambassador program when asked to provide documentation for his list of degrees (including one in "meta physics") given in his bio on the Ambassador website. See discussion here.
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Well at least this conspiracy theory admits that there was a moon landing.
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Well at least this conspiracy theory admits that there was a moon landing.
Hoagland never denined the moon landings, just that NASA is hiding alien artifacts/structures/etc.
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Wasn't it Marsrevealer that said "very soon" about something a short while ago?

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Well at least this conspiracy theory admits that there was a moon landing.
Hoagland and Bara have actually written some of the better attacks on the Moon landing hoaxers. Of course, it's to defend their claim that the astronauts found alien technology on the Moon.
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I'll refrain from commenting on the rest of it, but being a "Solar System Ambassador" isn't all that prestigious - it's a one-year volunteer position doing public outreach for JPL.
Really? Maybe I'll try that my first year out of college. Either that, or OCMC missionary work. Not really sure.
I bet Hoagwash found the secret photos in Patrick Star's secret box, while wearing his secret socks, and watching his secret TV channel on his secret TV... SECRETLY!
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Hoagland and Bara have actually written some of the better attacks on the Moon landing hoaxers. Of course, it's to defend their claim that the astronauts found alien technology on the Moon.
Yes because they think that a) the Apollo missions had to be real for them to use them to find their artifacts and b) because they claim that such theorys are so dumb that they hurt genuine conspriacy theories, like theirs.
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I find it humourous to see how many "secrets" just happen to find their way into Hoagland's hands..for him to expose, of course

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According to our own James Oberg, Johnston dropped out of the Ambassador program when asked to provide documentation for his list of degrees (including one in "meta physics") given in his bio on the Ambassador website. See discussion here.
The Dark Mission Blog has Mr. Johnston providing more detail concering his credentials:

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I hold a BS in Aerospace Engineering from Oklahoma City University and two advanced degrees from the Reformed Baptist Seminary, one in Theology and the other PhD in Metaphysics.
If the "Reformed Baptist Seminary" is the one located at 1709 Arial Street, Easley, SC, he may have a problem. I cannot find any mention of a doctoral program being offered by them.
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Oklahoma City University appears to be a liberal arts college. It does not currently offer an Aerospace Engineering degree, nor does it currently offer any engineering curricula -- accredited or otherwise. Since few are the schools who teach aerospace engineering, and fewer still the schools who offer accredited programs, I wonder if any of Mr. Johnston's education turns out to be real and relevant.
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Where are these secret photographs?
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Where are these secret photographs?
They are in a secret location.
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Most of the major news groups probably did not cover it, googled Hoagland and Johnston, found only coast to coast had anything out. I can just see a lot of people coming here with youtube videos.
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Johnston will then show some of the "missing" Apollo frames -- which confirm the existence of long-rumored "ancient artificial ruins and technology on the Moon," discovered by the Apollo astronauts but legally classified under the 1958 Space Act by NASA for over 40 years.
Let's see. 2007 minus "over 40 years" equals (let's be charitable) 1966. Apollo 8 went to the moon in 1968. What, I wonder, took these "'missing' Apollo frames?"

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Let's see. 2007 minus "over 40 years" equals (let's be charitable) 1966. Apollo 8 went to the moon in 1968. What, I wonder, took these "'missing' Apollo frames?"

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Surveyor 1 landed on June 2, 1966. It returned nearly 11,000 frames before it ceased activity on the 14 July.
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Surveyor 1 landed on June 2, 1966. It returned nearly 11,000 frames before it ceased activity on the 14 July.
And if you look carefully, you will find ONLY 10,986 frames in the NASA archives. Clearly, 14 have been REMOVED from public view!!!
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Surveyor 1 landed on June 2, 1966. It returned nearly 11,000 frames before it ceased activity on the 14 July.
I think 10, 986 is close enough to 11,000, but the cters might claim alot of infomation out those 14 frames.
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If there's a good thing to come of this, it may be to expose the "Ambassador" program to tens of thousands of enthusiastic people who would have otherwise not known about it, and thereby generates grassroots interest in NASA, Space Exploration, and Astronomy
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Let's see, "Dr. Ken Johnston,...Solar System Ambassador (SSA) and Richard Hoagland,...CBS News Science Science Advisor [SSA]..." Man, it's a good thing I've noticed how dyslexic my typing has become and made a couple corrections before posting this.

Meanwhile, get yer scorecards, get yer scorecards, ya can't tell the SSAs without a scorecard!
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Dyslexia yeah right, no you would not type something like thst on purpose.
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I'm not sure, but this may Oklahoma *State* University. It apparently has several campuses over the state, and one of those does offer aerospace engineering.

Gordon Cooper received an honorary Ph.D. from there, and note the bio here lists it as "Oklahoma City University":

http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/Bios/htmlbios/cooper-lg.html

It's possible that it may have been called that in the past, or that may be a common, but unofficial name.

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"The Solar System Ambassador program is hardly prestigious. Anyone with an interest in space exploration can become one."

I'm surprised to hear this claim, as the one Solar System Ambassador I know is a very knowledgeable amateur astronomer who does several public presentations every month with a special focus on the Mars rovers and Cassini mission to Saturn, all of which are very well attended. He has also worked with an international team that published Mars images on the covers of Aviation Week and Space Technology magazines and has written an article on the rovers for The Explorers Club in NY. His knowledge of and love for astronomy are impressive to say the least. He is also in regular communication with NASA personnel on these unmanned missions. From his qualifications alone, I would assume Solar System Ambassadors must meet significant standards in astronomical knowledge and understanding to be given these positions.
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I'm surprised to hear this claim, as the one Solar System Ambassador I know is a very knowledgeable amateur astronomer...

No doubt he is. I don't mean to disparage the program or its participants. The local SSAs in my area are also dedicated to space exploration and are good people. What I mean is that the program is voluntary and open to a wide variety of people, thus not necessarily as selective and rigorous (in the appropriate way) as other opportunities might be. I suppose prestige is subjective and varies, but I would consider membership in professional organizations, ASME or AIAA for example, to be of greater prestige.

From his qualifications alone, I would assume Solar System Ambassadors must meet significant standards in astronomical knowledge and understanding to be given these positions.

Actual qualifications differ from participant to participant. Ambassadors are trained after selection; they don't necessarily have to come to NASA with the appropriate knowledge of space missions. They just have to present a viable PR plan. Here is the official description. http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/ambassador/AO.html

The problem with Mr. Johnston is that he doesn't seem to bring any credible qualifications to the post; instead he's trying to use SSA membership as the qualification itself. That's what's fishy to me.
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