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The Mr. H. Dialogues -- Part Two: Mr. Hannunakey's Book Tour

Celestial Mechanic: "My good friend, Mr. Hannunakey, just happens to be in town today, and has just completed a book-signing at a local bookstore as part of a tour for his new book, Outhouses of the Gods -- A Bottom-up Look at Extraterrestrial Civilization."

Mr. Hannunakey: "Hidey-ho, hidey-ho! Hello boys and girls!"

CM: "I see you are mostly recovered from being stepped on by A.DIM, except for a slight bit of a crease."

Mr. H: "It's a wonder what reconstructive surgery and physical therapy can do. A bit more therapy and even the crease will be gone."

CM: "That's wonderful!"

Mr. H: "And I'm not angry with A.DIM at all. He receives much skepticism and scorn, I can understand why he might lash out at someone or something, even a product of your fetid imagination such as myself."

CM: "But what about your book?"

Mr. H: "Oh yes, well considering all the claptrap being written about Nibiru such as the 'conspiracy theorist' quoted in the original post, I thought it was time to set the record straight, so I wrote this book."

CM: "A good transition and a clever link to the topic of this thread. So what do you think of Nancy Lieder and her claims about Planet X?"

Mr. H: "She's totally wrong. Nibiru is not her Planet X. Nibiru follows the laws of celestial mechanics just like your eight major planets, countless asteroids, and comets (most of the time!) do. When Nibiru returns you will see it, if only in your telescopes. No 'white persona', 'red persona', or 'plaid persona' for that matter."

CM: "So what do you think of the photos on her website?"

Mr. H: "Lens flares, internal reflections, total rubbish."

CM: "And her 'channeling' of Zeta Reticulans?"

Mr. H: "Completely delusional."

CM: "That's a bit harsh, don't you think? I mean, neither of us are clinical psychiatrists, and remote diagnosis is unreliable as any qualified psychiatrist will tell you. Why, some would suggest that by engaging in a conversation with a fictional 50,000 year-old piece of poo that I am acting in an equally delusional manner."

Mr. H: "But there's a difference: you know that this is just a work of satire. You have written this dialogue to make a point or two about claims involving extraterrestials and undiscovered planets. You do this to educate and entertain people. You do not do it to separate fools from their money -- or their beloved pets."

CM: "That's true. But just playing along, let me ask this: as a piece of poo, how could you have gleaned enough information about your Annunaki 'creators' to actually write a book about them?"

Mr. H: "Well, you see, Annunaki physiology has this interesting twist: they have taste buds at 'both ends' as you would say."

CM: "You mean they can taste their own poo when they go?"

Mr. H: "Yes, they can taste their wastes. It's a very useful feature, I'm surprised more creatures haven't evolved it. A bad-tasting bit of poo can be an early warning of illness."

CM: "I'm getting an early warning of illness just thinking about it ..."

Mr. H: "I know how squeamish you humans are about this, so I won't go into further details except to say that the 'finish' of a dinner was every bit as important as the beginning of a dinner. Food was prepared with both the taste at the beginning and at the end in mind. The 'finish' of a dinner was every bit a part of the social occasion as the beginning. Outhouses were appointed just like dining rooms or dance halls. Everyone would retire to the outhouse and that was how I was able to listen in on their conversations. You can read about it in the book."

CM: "I see. And how is the book tour going so far?"

Mr. H: "Pretty good, but I do wish they wouldn't put my book and Sitchin's books in the New Age section. Uggghhh!"

CM: "We all have our own cross to bear. Well, Mr. Hannunakey, it was nice speaking with you again, but it's time for us to go -- as in depart."

Mr. H: "Hidey-ho, hidey-ho! Goodbye, boys and girls!"

To be continued (maybe) ...

Edited to add: The first Mr. H dialogue was here

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Therefore, vicariously, he loves Nibiru.

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Celestial Mechanic, I am eating here!
Please do not talk about poo.
Thank you.

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Nibiru <---how is that pronounced anyway?

NEE bih roo?
nih BEE roo?
NIH bih roo?
NAWT reelee thair?

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Marklar?

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"The Mayan symbol for "book" looks a lot like a triple hamburger, but I've never seen them claiming it as proof the Mayans had Big Macs." - KaiYeves
"Distance doesn’t matter much in space, where if you just start a thing off with the right kind of shove, sooner or later it will get where you want it to go." -Frederik Pohl, Mining the Oort

CM, that just about brought tears to my eyes. Good thing I thought twice before getting out Mr. Hankey!

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that's a good marklar, marklar. It's also a funny marklar. It never gets marklar

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"Think of the rivers of blood spilled by all those generals and emperors so that, in glory and triumph, they could become the momentary masters of a fraction of a dot." --Carl Sagan "Pale Blue Dot"

I used to deal with a person at the NRC who had a speech impediment. He was compelled to start every utterance with a noise that sounded like "mark". Perhaps later he became a creative consultant on South Mark, uh, Park.

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I've been reading it to myself as "Nib-ear-ooh" or just "Nib-roo" for short.

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I did a little research, and apparently in Sumerian it is pronounced Nih-bih-roo, with a trilled r. But really nobody knows. It might also be pronounced nee-bee-roo.

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Hello all, newbie here and first post.

I hope this helps: an astronomer called mike Browne discovered a drarf star/planet that was heading in a similar orbit to Nibiru in 2003, after a few years of calling it Planet X and 2003 UB313 the main body decided to call it Eris.

The orbit is the same as nibiru and the amount of disclaimers at the bottom of his website makes you wonder a little. So here's the website of the planet that has the same orbit, same description as Nibiru and of course which took me a long time to find, seeing as the governments haven't readily disclosed this information.

Oh I also add that the dates claimed of it's passing are not 2012 as Nibiru is expected to pass, the drawing I also think is a tad conservative. Saying that I doubt it would be in any governments interest to highlight correct dates if 2012 is the truthful date.

From 2006 it is said that a red star can be seen from the southern most extremities (south pole) from 2009 we should be able to view it ourselves, Nibiru will then be causing natural disasters of various kinds culminating with a magnetic alignment and polar shift. Yeah scary stuff.

Anyway, there's plenty in You tube about Nibiru and one vid has some interesting pics from the south pole yep a 3 pics with a red cross in the sky.

Anyway, here's Mike Browne's website of the planet known as ERIS

WEBSITE

I searched that page you referenced for the word Nibiru, and it wasn't found. Where did you get the idea that Eris is the same orbit as so-called nibiru?

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Eris and its orbit are not being kept a secret by any government*, it's well known to many astronomers from many countries. A dwarf planet and a dwarf star are two extremely different things. A dwarf planet at that distance lacks the gravity to move a single molecule on Earth, let alone cause any natural disasters. "Planet Nibiru" is based on ancient Sumerian mythology, mostly cut-and-pasted out of context by this guy. The 2012 date for "disaster" is based on a Western misinterpretation of Mayan calendar practices.


Hope that cleared things up a bit.

*ADDED: Not that any government could "cover up" something that can be checked by telescope.

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"Distance doesn’t matter much in space, where if you just start a thing off with the right kind of shove, sooner or later it will get where you want it to go." -Frederik Pohl, Mining the Oort

So which is it? Similar or the same??

What disclaimers?...and just what does it make you wonder???

Same description? Hardly.

You frighten rather easily.

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I see semantics is going to play it's part in this website as is sarcasm, scary eh, and no I don't frighten easily, but I learn quickly.

Ok well the orbit of Eris is set to enter our solar system along the same lines as Jupiter, in a big cigar shaped orbit, very much like Nibiru is said to have.

The Sumarians, The Indian Hopi's, Egyptians, chinese 'I Ching', Mayan's etc have all mentioned the 'extra' planet in their texts and I mentioned 2012 because to this day the Mayans are only 33 seconds out with their placement of the moon from their records and I'm aware that the Sun has not conjoined the Milky Way and the plane of the ecliptic since some 25,800 years ago, long before the Mayans arrived on the scene and long before their predecessors the Olmecs arrived. They state 21st Dec 2012 is end times where this happens again and the sun rejoins the sacred tree, so naturally with Nibiru (maybe) approaching, which I belive 'could' be Eris, then I just find it fascinating this planet exists.

Thanks nostrangename, but I don't take facts from wikepedia sorry. As for the secret, I didn't actually say secret, I said the governement doesn't readily disclose information. Well they don't, don't really tell us anything they don't want us to hear. I just said information is not as readily available as it perhaps should be.

John Jones, my interpretation is as valid as anyone elses. I appreciate that all information gathered for me to believe that Eris/Planet X maybe Nibiru and just say that from evauation and information.

Yes Eris is a planet not a star. ooops

With the planet coming to the end of it's 26,000 year wobble then who know eh.

Nibiru is more than just a planet though it is based on the annunaki, or as the Bible says Nephilim, which are a race of beings (giants) if you will which even in the book of Genesis 6, they are stated, and many scholors have tried evaluating it's context. Either way myth or fact nibiru and the end times are related in one way or another.

I just enjoy studying all this with open eyes and will continue to do so

Thanks Noname for the welcome in the other thread

According to Brown et. al. Eris has an elliptical orbit that goes from 97AU in to 38 AU, and orbits once every 557 years. Jupiter orbits at 5AU, so Eris is NOT going to come that far into the solar system. BTW, even if it were to change orbit and start falling straight into the inner solar system, it would not arrive by the year 2012... not even close. Ask the people holding their breath for the New Horizon's probe to sail past Pluto...

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If you're saying that Eris' orbit will bring it as close to the Sun as Jupiter is, then I think you are misunderstanding the orbital chart on Mike Brown's site. The innermost orbit shown on that chart is Jupiter's orbit, and Eris' orbit never comes close to that.

Really? So random YouTube videos are okay, but Wikipedia is not?

Sounds more like you're cherry-picking any info that fits your world view of ebil gubments and impending doom. Why do you want the world to end?

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In all fairness Charliebad never claimed he got his vision from/through YouTube. You're basing your "cherry picking" argument on an assumption that could not be true at all.

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Hi Charliebad,

R.A.F. is a very sharp member of the community, but sometimes uses sarcasm with people saying things that he feels are ignoring real science for the sake of espousing their own radical viewpoints... and Nibiru is not something new around here.

My point is that you would do well to work on being polite, and not treat the least polite comments that you see here as the standard we'd like to all be at. Please spell other people's names correctly, and be careful to attack ideas, but not people.

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Actually the government makes Eris' location and orbit extremely accessible to anyone who wants it. It's actually very very very well disclosed; NASA provides a free applet to view the current location with respect to the solar system, along with all the orbital elements.
http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/sbdb.cgi?sst...%20UB313;orb=1
Eris won't reach perihelion until March 4th, 2258 (at which time it will be 38 AUs from the sun, still much too far away to see with the naked eye), it's just past aphelion right now at 96AUs, the furthest point in its orbit from the sun (the very furthest it gets is about 97AUs). Simple Keplerian laws of planetary motion allows you to confirm for yourself that NASA's figures for the orbital period of Eris are correct.

Purposely misspelling member names is pretty close to an ad hom.

ETA: Oops. Antoniseb already noted the misspelling of member names.

It's ok I'll leave it at that Nibiru, doesn't effect the world in that way, it's the alignment of the milky-way and sun etc that may effect us. Of course if you believe in aliens, then they'll come and get ya on Nibiru

In his first post, he said...
He also said...
I didn't say he got his world view strictly from YouTube. I was pointing out that he offered YouTube videos as evidence, but dismissed Wikipedia out of hand. He also claimed a conspiracy in his very first post, and we've seen how often one's world view leads to a conspiracy rather than the other way around.

But, yeah, it was more obvious in my brain than in what I wrote. Me use more words make better now.

This was so much easier 10,000 years ago around a campfire.

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I'm sorry, I completely overread that. My bad.

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Your description of Eris' orbit was flat wrong. Do you have better data concerning why the alignment you speak of may affect us?

It is poor form to use sarcasm on newbies. apologies...

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Thanks nostrangename, but I don't take facts from wikepedia sorry.

What do you consider authoritative sources of information?

...I said the governement doesn't readily disclose information.

If you're talking about the orbit of Eris, then it has been shown that the government readily discloses its orbital information. Even if they don't, that does not prevent Eris' orbit from being discovered by other means.

Well they don't, don't really tell us anything they don't want us to hear.

The government does not have a monopoly on the orbital elements of observable bodies. What aren't they telling us that you believe they don't want us to hear? And how did you hear about it? What makes you think the government's refusal to disclose something about Eris' orbit means that what they're allegedly covering up won't be discovered anyway by other means?

I just said information is not as readily available as it perhaps should be.

What information about Eris' orbit is not available, that should be?

John Jones, my interpretation is as valid as anyone elses.

No. If you allege something that has related, relates, or will relate to observable fact, then accounting for all such relevant fact correctly in your interpretation is a clear measure of its validity. If others' interpretations account better for fact than yours, they are necessarily more valid than yours. Allegations pertaining to scientifically discernible fact are not automatically equally valid, nor constitute legitimately varying "points of view." If your claim is such that it can be right or wrong, then it is either right or wrong.

Either way myth or fact nibiru and the end times are related in one way or another.

When there can be presented factual information regarding "end times" (instead of vague handwaving extrapolations from religiously-held texts) then any relationship to them and celestial observation can be examined scientifically. Most such relationships already postulated seem manufactured according to the desire to correlate them to the predictions of celestial mechanics, and are thus circular.

I just enjoy studying all this with open eyes and will continue to do so

What exactly do you mean by "open eyes?"

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