Yes, but in our defense, it was a less than serious topic. Unless you think a link between the Silver Surfer and the Illuminati deserves serious examination.

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"If this were play'd upon a stage now, I could condemn it as an improbable fiction."
Shakespeare, Twelfth Night
Illuminati's Razor-The most complicatedly evil answer is usually the most correct answer. - Fazor
"Every book is a children's book if the kid can read." - Mitch Hedberg
"Distance doesn’t matter much in space, where if you just start a thing off with the right kind of shove, sooner or later it will get where you want it to go." -Frederik Pohl, Mining the Oort

Okay, then, guilt-free.
Do you think Peter Parker is following New Horizons or the equivalent?

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"If you think the LHC will create black holes, you might as well believe Hobbits are at the bottom of your garden."- Dr. Mike Inglis
Rovers forever! - ToSeek
"Carl Sagan sent a message to ET,
Neil Armstrong walked in the Sea of Tranquility
Steve Squyers built Spirit and Opportunity
Dan Haylen upchucked in zero gravity." -Brent Simon, The Space Camp Song

I'm still gonna have to stick with DC. A person can only take so many Spiderman clones and X-men.

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Howling from the Shadows

It must be fun to lead a life completely unburdened by reality. --- JayUtah

You can't reason an irrational person out of an irrational belief. --- Noclevername

Apollo: The History and the Hoax
Enter the World of Athran

I just wish Stan Lee would have the power to leave our store.

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Gillian

"Now everyone was giving her that kind of look UFOlogists get when they suddenly say, 'Hey, if you shade your eyes you can see it is just a flock of geese after all.'"

"You can't erase icing."

"I can't believe it doesn't work! I found it on the internet, man!"

Well, we can rename this "The Thread about Grandfather's Old Ram".

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"Transport of the mails, transport of the human voice, transport of flickering pictures - in this century, as in others, our highest accomplishments still have the single aim of bringing men together." St. Exupery

Why not. Any time I have a say it appears to me that the conversation just drifts as if I wasn't there. As for the U-tube I thought it was funny.

Got to hand it to Hoagland the only way to get people to think is to appeal to the lower echelon by the looks of things ... here is why.

You can lead a horse to water ... but you can't make it drink.
Heck, it seems like you can't even lead a human to an idea let alone make it think.

Now use the messiah approach and enough dummies may be swept along for the ride. Or use a cattle prod and poke a human into the vicinity of an idea and that is about as far as you will ever get.

Sure it is wrong, hello Richard it is an animation they can do that with cartoons. The brilliance is using the lucifer approach. He ain't no messiah for the masses and so gets his band of the faithful to poke the lucifer brand to get into people's heads.

Now ask a series of simple testable questions and learning obscures thinking. Why the heck would anybody want a forum dedicated to the mainstream to promote an idea that goes against conventional thinking ... ridiculous.

Humans think they are capable of learning but are humans able to learn how to think? Ideas that were asked (not a theory to fight)

Do crowns infested with jewels fall apart for no apparent reason?
They shouldn't ... but if they do why?

Do fittings measured to exact precision and freedom of movement fail with monotonous regularity in space?

Can heavy metal hinged solar arrays be exactly matched with light metal ISS fittings or is there now just an unwritten law of tolerances?

Have we ever tested the rate of known isotopes measured accurately many years ago against theoretical expected results.

If space is so turbulent why are we not getting gravity waves?

Why is a random system so inordinately symmetrical?

If flatness needs precision to 120 decimal places ... can I safely pass wind?

Sure Richard and I probably deserve the same treatment here and I think we get it. How many couldn't bring themselves to look at his clip. How much harder then to look at the ideas put forward by someone who does not write books and by his own admission has his back up and head down several toilets six days a week.

By looking at what Hoagland proposes, yes he needs help. At times we all need help. Some just clearly need more help than others.

Yes I get ideas generated by creative thought due to the big silver screen, but at least I tried to put a physics to my ideas.

Not every cry for attention is predicated upon belief in the soundness of the idea. People often talk just to hear themselves talk. And people like Hoagland talk mostly so that they in turn will be talked about. Hoagland fears obscurity far more than he fears being seen as wrong. And so when getting attention is the goal, often that requires saying outlandish, farfetched things because that's what rises above the noise.

Yes I agree there is much we do not yet know, including things that pertain to "ordinary" activity. But not all criticism that comes of it is meant to improve the reliability of the activity. An engineer might admit there is problem with some tolerance and acknowledge it as his error, but the goal there would be likely to improve things for the future. Another person might say, "Oh there goes NASA again." And his goal instead would be to reinforce his opinion that NASA is a wasteful and pretentious agency trying to hide its own incompetence.

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"Facts are stubborn things." --John Adams
Clavius Moon Base

You're lucky its the holidays and I'm too happy to be offended.

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"If you think the LHC will create black holes, you might as well believe Hobbits are at the bottom of your garden."- Dr. Mike Inglis
Rovers forever! - ToSeek
"Carl Sagan sent a message to ET,
Neil Armstrong walked in the Sea of Tranquility
Steve Squyers built Spirit and Opportunity
Dan Haylen upchucked in zero gravity." -Brent Simon, The Space Camp Song

I agree Hoagland's central assertions are totally without any basis in fact. One of his major tenets is that there are relics of ancient civilizations on moon/Mars. So what evidence does he really advance for this? All I've seen are fuzzy pictures taken with low resolution. Show me ONE HIGH RESOLUTION image of an artifact on moon or Mars where noone could disagree what the image represents, any more than you'd disagree that a closeup snapshot of a person you know is really that person. If you have such an image, give me a link to it, I'd really like to see it (I'm being facetious because there is no such image). Hoagland is the modern day incarnation of Percival Lowell, vainly drawing maps of "canals" on Mars; except that unlike Lowell, noone is buying Hoagland.

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"fifty is nifty" , unknown poet

Why would you be "offended" over someone's personal preference in entertainment? Seems like a waste of good outrage to me.

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"If this were play'd upon a stage now, I could condemn it as an improbable fiction."
Shakespeare, Twelfth Night
Illuminati's Razor-The most complicatedly evil answer is usually the most correct answer. - Fazor
"Every book is a children's book if the kid can read." - Mitch Hedberg
"Distance doesn’t matter much in space, where if you just start a thing off with the right kind of shove, sooner or later it will get where you want it to go." -Frederik Pohl, Mining the Oort

Welcome to the wonderful world of Comics Fandom (Fandum? )

Oh, and back to the OP...

But Galactus' belt has hexagons on it! HEXAGONS!!!

(Matherly tries to keep a straight face, fails, and falls over laughing)

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Carl Matherly

Offical Battlestar Galactica Apologist

Named Time Magazine's 2006 "Person of the Year"

Ah, but that's only the original version. The movie version was based on the Ultimate Galactus, a nonhumanoid swarm who was Hexless, and indeed, Beltless. So their argument all falls apart without a Hexagon Galactus!

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"If this were play'd upon a stage now, I could condemn it as an improbable fiction."
Shakespeare, Twelfth Night
Illuminati's Razor-The most complicatedly evil answer is usually the most correct answer. - Fazor
"Every book is a children's book if the kid can read." - Mitch Hedberg
"Distance doesn’t matter much in space, where if you just start a thing off with the right kind of shove, sooner or later it will get where you want it to go." -Frederik Pohl, Mining the Oort

To which again I raise the question: "Can't they make a Fantastic Four movie that doesn't... y'know... suck?"

Maybe it's an Illuminati plot to make really crappy FF movies...

(Edited to Add)...

Of course, since Mr. Fantastic is a member of the Illuminati I may not be too far off...

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Carl Matherly

Offical Battlestar Galactica Apologist

Named Time Magazine's 2006 "Person of the Year"

Ask a Yankee fan why he is offended by someone else's personal preference of the Red Sox. Comics mythology loyalty.

Then the Illuminati really would be evil! I didn't like the movies that much either. I nearly always perfer source material to movie adapations.

Then the upcoming Iron Man movie must also be part of the plot! (Actually, since in a fan comic I recently drew, Stark is working with Virgin Galactic... I'm scared of where this is going.)

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"If you think the LHC will create black holes, you might as well believe Hobbits are at the bottom of your garden."- Dr. Mike Inglis
Rovers forever! - ToSeek
"Carl Sagan sent a message to ET,
Neil Armstrong walked in the Sea of Tranquility
Steve Squyers built Spirit and Opportunity
Dan Haylen upchucked in zero gravity." -Brent Simon, The Space Camp Song

Well, there you go. Solid proof, the video was right.

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"If this were play'd upon a stage now, I could condemn it as an improbable fiction."
Shakespeare, Twelfth Night
Illuminati's Razor-The most complicatedly evil answer is usually the most correct answer. - Fazor
"Every book is a children's book if the kid can read." - Mitch Hedberg
"Distance doesn’t matter much in space, where if you just start a thing off with the right kind of shove, sooner or later it will get where you want it to go." -Frederik Pohl, Mining the Oort

There, fixed that for you.

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Howling from the Shadows

It must be fun to lead a life completely unburdened by reality. --- JayUtah

You can't reason an irrational person out of an irrational belief. --- Noclevername

Apollo: The History and the Hoax
Enter the World of Athran

Since I don't understand sports fans either, that tells me little. A good story is a good story no matter which corporation makes money off it; I guess it's just one of those genes I was born without.

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"If this were play'd upon a stage now, I could condemn it as an improbable fiction."
Shakespeare, Twelfth Night
Illuminati's Razor-The most complicatedly evil answer is usually the most correct answer. - Fazor
"Every book is a children's book if the kid can read." - Mitch Hedberg
"Distance doesn’t matter much in space, where if you just start a thing off with the right kind of shove, sooner or later it will get where you want it to go." -Frederik Pohl, Mining the Oort

If flatness needs precision to 120 decimal places ... can I safely pass wind?

(originally posted by Michael Noonan)

Unless there is an abcess present, then the dreaded happens......"HONDA-HONDA...."

Sorry, couln't resist the pun...

Dale

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"Ad astra per aspera"