I came across this at a woo-woo forum I visit (to practice debunking) and thought people here might be amused.

http://www.rense.com/general79/wdx1.htm

I posted this in one thread at the forum (and there's another long thread which pretty much debunks it in some straightforward and also obscure ways):

"He doesn't compare his pics to the other ~799 satellites in orbit, or the inactive ones.

No need to get hyped up over it with so many terrestrial explanations for them.

And with regards his 'surveillance', UFO nuts are known to be paranoid. I myself was like that for a while. If he had stumbled upon something big, it would be very easy for him to be 'disappeared'."


Perhaps some of you can identify what he's photographed.

See topics Recording sounds from space and Unknown LEO space machines.

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Oops! Thanks! I should have searched for more than just "walson".

Apparently, the CIA has some kind of stealth technology for satellites:
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/14.02/spy_pr.html

It may be as simple as a giant black balloon that they inflate under the bird. UFO hunters need to explain why these spaceships they're seeing aren't similarly disguised.

Also, anyone who's actually seen the ISS knows that it is incredibly bright. If there was something even larger up there, millions of people would notice it and ask questions.

And anyway, everybody knows that the aliens stay in their giant, stadium-sized bases on the far side of the moon, and just take small shuttle craft down to Earth when they need to mutilate a dairy cow.

All I see are fuzzy pictures of something in orbit. Same as all the fuzzy blobs of light UFO pictures. Use to lay on my back and make pictures out of cloud shapes when I was a kid. Never claimed the elephants and funny faces I saw in these shapes were real. Sigh, guess times have changed. Don't need any standard of proof anymore to make incredible claims. Just need a internet connection.

All I see are these big, ugly yellow things that hang in the sky the way bricks don't.

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Parked? Somebody call the towing department...
(Post 4,444! Always like alignments like that.)

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Man, you're fast.

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If there are indeed large machines of extraterrestrial origin in orbit around the planet, they are entitled to be subjected to a human concept known affectionately as a "parking fee". Hear me out...

We find the average cost to park an automobile for a 24-hour period in a city/state/county/town/nation, etc. as such designated parking area. Then we multiply the size of the parking space in question to accomodate the machine(s) in orbit and adjust the cost of parking for a 24-hour period accordingly. We then present the ETIs guilty of parking in orbit with the bill (retroactive to their initial arrival date, of course) and inform them that if they wish to remain parked in Earth orbit that they are obligated to pay the appropriate and required fees.

Any payments made by any ETIs for the parking of their devices in Earth orbit will then be directly deposited into an international fund for astronomy and space exploration, to be divided equally amongst all the agencies, universities, etc. as such of the Earth with such interests at the end of each fiscal year. Management of the monies in question will be handled exclusively by an independent council of astronomers and scientists (duely elected from within their own ranks to five-year terms) and will never pass through the hands of -or the use thereof be scrutinized by- any "leaders" at any level, political or otherwise. The monies in question will also not be subject to any manner of taxation at any time, ever.

We could also introduce long-term, lump sum parking options, i.e, 365 days, 1,825 days, etc., which the ETIs could pay between January 1 and January 7 of a given year. This would entitle them to the use of that space at their discretion for the agreed period of time...sans doing anything of a sinister and/or threatening nature towards us.

If all goes well from this arrangement, who knows what kind of cool things could be accomplished for the benefit of humanity? If the aliens are parking their ships in Earth orbit, I say, let them come. (Obviously I'm just being silly about an equally silly proposition, but...)

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My God, man, I think you've hit on something!

(This does explain the rumours that the shuttle launch was delayed - not because of an instrument malfunction, but - to allow completion and stowage of a set of very large parking boots.)

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You are of course assuming that NASA is the parking administrator. I suspect that is more of a Military Police operation. The delay was so NASA could scrounge the laundry money jar for quarters for the parking meter.

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And they will probably pay with thier own version of quid instead of something tangible that we can use.

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Just so long as they don't try to pay with ningy. We already have all those tires to get rid of.

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I think you've got that backwards. We would be the privative indigenous people in this scenario. Far from collecting tariffs, we'll be very lucky if we get a string of shiny beads in exchange for our planet before we're all marched off to our new home on Io.

Have you seen their laundry jar? It's pitifully empty. I bet some bully is stealing NASA's lunch money.

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I reminded of an early '80s after dinner speech that was very popular here in the UK and was often circulated on cassette around posh dinner parties. It was by an ex-commercial Pilot called David Gunson. He was talking about how the government levied the cost of air-traffic control from airfields by charging them a licence for operating an airfield.

He then drew the analogy to the UK television license. It's one of those things you're supposed to have, and if you have not got one...forget it, they'll take so long to find out it doesn't matter.

With an airfield, however....they're difficult to hide. You can put billboards round them, that sort of thing, but people will tend to notice the odd jumbo taking off.

There are not that many heavy launch facilities in the world - and people WOULD notice the odd rocket going up to fly these bulls**t payloard

Doug

You can't effectively launch a rocket from anywhere on Earth. You need a site close to the equator, accessible to heavy shipping, politically stable, geographically flat, and with ample downrange desolation in case of failure.

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And plenty of free parking... speaking of parking.

Then there's Sea Launch -- but the current befuddled them last attempt.

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Uhhh, Jay... might you want to slightly re-phrase that, lest some CT quote you in support of their claim that launching rockets from Earth is impossible, full stop? (e.g., "...from just anywhere on Earth." )

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...lest some CT quote you in support of their claim that launching rockets from Earth is impossible, full stop?

I'd actually love to see someone claim that. I think it would be hilarious.

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